Just received $26 Ontario Joe Pardue Utilitac Folding Knife, drop point, round handle

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Somebody somewhere recommended this knife as a good deal. I watched some youtube videos on it and decided to buy it. Paid $26 delivered. I loosened the pivot screw and it's easy to flick open, feels great in the hand, has a taller and larger blade than the Rat 1, similar in shape but slightly different, easy to close liner lock with cold, wet, gloved hands. It comes in a round and square handle, silver or black blade, tanto or drop point, 3.5 inch straight edge only, no serrated edge. It feels like it could be issued to our Military personnel as standard issue gear, that it would hold up to their use. Great deal, nice knife, amazing what Ontario can make and deliver for $26. You can thank cheap labor from a foreign country (Taiwan), container ships, shipping containers and the internet for providing this to you. Does anyone have an idea of how much it would cost if it were manufactured in the USA? http://ontarioknife.com/folding-blades/joe-pardue-series
 
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Somebody somewhere recommended this knife as a good deal. I watched some youtube videos on it and decided to buy it. Paid $26 delivered from Amazon. I loosened the pivot screw and it's easy to flick open, feels great in the hand, has a taller and larger blade than the Rat 1, similar in shape but slightly different, easy to close liner lock with cold, wet, gloved hands. It comes in a round and square handle, silver or black blade, tanto or drop point, 3.5 inch straight edge only, no serrated edge. It feels like it could be issued to our Military personnel as standard issue gear, that it would hold up to their use. Great deal, nice knife, amazing what Kershaw can make and deliver for $26. You can thank cheap labor from a foreign country (Taiwan), container ships, shipping containers and the internet for providing this to you. Does anyone have an idea of how much it would cost if it were manufactured in the USA? http://ontarioknife.com/folding-blades/joe-pardue-series

It's a great knife. Not made by kershaw though. Ontario makes it. Glad you like it. Much better than some knock off, right?

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Utilitac II's are nice, rank right up there with the Ontario Model 1's for "bang for the buck" knives.
 
Why is this knife not on a best knife under $30 list? I've never heard it discussed much as a bargain deal that appears to be a beast. It's a real gem, hidden in the dozens of knives to choose from in that price range.
 
It's a great knife. Not made by kershaw though. Ontario makes it. Glad you like it. Much better than some knock off, right?

I'm still trying to define what a knock off is and how much does it have to change before it is not considered a knock off/replica...? Not somebody's opinion, but the legal definition of it, what lawyers would argue and what would prevail in a court room. If the logo, manufacturers name, copyright trademark are all removed, is it a knock off/replica...?
 
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Good looking knife! Love the blade shape on those.

Can you define forgery, plagiarism, or counterfeit? How much different would a piece of paper with certain words, numbers, and pictures on it have to before it's considered fake currency?
 
I'm still trying to define what a knock off is and how much does it have to change before it is not considered a knock off/replica...? Not somebody's opinion, but the legal definition of it, what lawyers would argue and what would prevail in a court room. If the logo, manufacturers name, copyright trademark are all removed, is it a knock off/replica...?

Let's not ruin this thread by going there, Mmkay?
 
Let's not ruin this thread by going there, Mmkay?

How about starting a Legal Knife Forum where Legal Issues can be discussed without being censored, suppressed, closed? There are a lot of knife makers, knife owners, knife buyers, knife sellers that would benefit from this.
 
How about starting a Legal Knife Forum where Legal Issues can be discussed without being censored, suppressed, closed?

Dear God man, why just not let it go?
You want the truth? Here it is: pretty much every single person here, including you, knows what a counterfeit knife is.
It's like porn; people know it when they see it.

If you want to go all lawyer on it, join a forum devoted to the incessant bickering over legal minutiae.
It will satisfy all your deep-seated need for nitpicking over the smallest, tiniest details which can be exploited. :thumbup:
 
Oh good god, this again? For the love of all that is good just drop it, please. There are just about an endless supply of forums, why this one? I'm sure you will find more "legal" forums then you'll know what to do with.
 
they are tuff knives!

i stabbed and pryed my way thru a 2x and the tip and pivot didn't even notice!

 
How about starting a Legal Knife Forum where Legal Issues can be discussed without being censored, suppressed, closed? There are a lot of knife makers, knife owners, knife buyers, knife sellers that would benefit from this.

Why not try to employ some common sense instead? We've already been through this already, many, many times. I don't believe you are as ignorant as you are trying to make yourself out to be, not if you can somehow find your way onto the internet, register, and post in a forum. After all, where is your thread in the Chris Reeve section that you rallied so hard for? What you want is basically a "forum" with no rules or moderation of any kind, that is called Reddit. Knock yourself out. Putting a cat in an over doesn't make it a biscuit.
 
I am using common sense. You have a knife forum, new manufacturers in countries outside the USA are manufacturing knives, copying popular premium grade knives, then selling them on the internet, ebay, AliExpress and other websites. I'm still not sure how they can post an ad on ebay with the words "Chris Reeve Sebenza Style knife" or similar wording and not get pulled down. You are not supposed to use the manufacturer names of other companies to help sell your product. It could be the large number of ads that ebay hosts and some just go unnoticed. Either that or ebay is allowing it. Do a search on ebay for completed items using Chris Reeve Sebenza, rank them lowest price first and you'll start seeing the counterfeit copies. What happens if you remove the trademark logo and the manufacturers name on ebay? Do they allow you to sell them? It then takes you back to the legal issue. What does the knife manufacturer own in regards to their knives, what is legal or illegal for another manufacturer to make?

Blade Forums tells me not to discuss certain knives, ie counterfeit. How am I suppose to know what is ok or not ok to discuss here? How about the knives that don't have the trademark logo, manufacturers name, etc. Are they legal or illegal to import, sell, possess etc in the USA? How much does a knife have to change in shape before it is legal to reproduce? It varies from country to country, and maybe state to state in the US. I don't know. That's why I asked in this forum and my posting was pulled down and hidden so nobody can see it. What happens when the next person comes along and does the same thing I did, ie inquire about what is legal/illegal, what can/can't be discussed etc?

That's why I just now in this thread suggested a forum for this topic. And yes, there could/would be rules/policies just like any other forum to operate properly otherwise you have chaos. Post on topic, comment on topic, don't post personal information about others, don't bully, don't name call, use clean language, no fraud, no scams etc.

This is not my forum, I can't make the changes, so all I can do is suggest. If the administration doesn't want to do it, I accept it and try to follow the rules, which are vague to start with, so it seems to go around in circles and starts up again later.

That's why I suggested a legal forum. A place to go and discuss the legal issues of knives and their manufacturing, without censorship, without being removed, free to discuss without fear of name calling, etc, you know, the same reason why the US broke away from the UK a few hundred years ago. It's called Freedom.

Why not try to employ some common sense instead? We've already been through this already, many, many times. I don't believe you are as ignorant as you are trying to make yourself out to be, not if you can somehow find your way onto the internet, register, and post in a forum. After all, where is your thread in the Chris Reeve section that you rallied so hard for? What you want is basically a "forum" with no rules or moderation of any kind, that is called Reddit. Knock yourself out. Putting a cat in an over doesn't make it a biscuit.
 
Why is this knife not on a best knife under $30 list? I've never heard it discussed much as a bargain deal that appears to be a beast. It's a real gem, hidden in the dozens of knives to choose from in that price range.

It is discussed constantly here in that list. My advice? Time to read more and post less.
 
That's why I suggested a legal forum. A place to go and discuss the legal issues of knives and their manufacturing, without censorship, without being removed, free to discuss without fear of name calling, etc, you know, the same reason why the US broke away from the UK a few hundred years ago. It's called Freedom.

This is a privately owned forum.
Technically, no such thing as "freedom of speech" applies here.
The owner of the site makes the rules.

Deal with it.
 
That's why I suggested a legal forum. A place to go and discuss the legal issues of knives and their manufacturing, without censorship, without being removed, free to discuss without fear of name calling, etc, you know, the same reason why the US broke away from the UK a few hundred years ago. It's called Freedom.

1) Knife Laws. Find it. read more, post less.

2) This isn't a public square. Its a privately owned internet forum. You have no "free speech" here. We all agree to be subject to the limitations placed on the forum by its owner, and his representatives, i.e., the mod staff.

3) As for your "all I can do is suggest" idea? I have a suggestion for you. But making it would be in violation of the rules we all agreed to abide by when we joined.
 
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