Just saw this.....Bark River is no more?

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Chefget said:
DLT, KSF etc knew.

They've heard the rumours for the past twenty years, read the articles.

Hell DLT was buying steel for the dirtball just trying to leverage the possibility of getting a sellable product.

They obviously knew what and who Mike and Co were, but morals and ethics took backseat to profit numbers.

And now they continue to sell the knives and will offer store credit when caught

STORE CREDIT!!

The dealers knew (or, possessing a brain and a sense of fairness to the customer, should have known) and they decided the profit was worth the deception, or at the very least the chance of deception. Most of them are going to be wall hangers anyway, right?

Hey DLT, etc how about:

"Yes, for years we've sold a well selling though questionable product and made a TON of money.

Now that the full extent of the operation has been discovered we are offering a full refund to all those that bought these questionable knives that WE sold (and again, made a lot of money on, at your expense)

Please contact us with your knife details and proof of purchase and we will gladly (now that we got caught) refund your money."

*Holding my breath...*
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I get being upset about this, but I'd like to point out that businesses exist for the sole purpose of making money. That's literally the whole point. Of course they're not going to jeopardize that when they aren't actually the ones doing the dirty work. There isn't a single business that exists solely to put a product in someone's hand out of the goodness of their heart. That's called charity. Bark River represents huge money to those guys, and morals don't pay the bills. I cannot think of anyone who made a lot of money who didn't step on people to do it. That's just how it works. Morals are for the customers to deal with.

Edit: it's also evidenced by pretty much everything that Mike Stewart did, or this whole thread wouldn't exist.

All we can do is choose where or where not to spend our money.
 
Armithius said:
I get being upset about this, but I'd like to point out that businesses exist for the sole purpose of making money. That's literally the whole point. Of course they're not going to jeopardize that when they aren't actually the ones doing the dirty work. There isn't a single business that exists solely to put a product in someone's hand out of the goodness of their heart. That's called charity. Bark River represents huge money to those guys, and morals don't pay the bills. I cannot think of anyone who made a lot of money who didn't step on people to do it. That's just how it works. Morals are for the customers to deal with.

Edit: it's also evidenced by pretty much everything that Mike Stewart did, or this whole thread wouldn't exist.

All we can do is choose where or where not to spend our money.
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I understand you might not blame the grocery store for selling obviously tainted beef, that it is the customer's responsibility to insure the safety of the product

That's just not the way I look at it
 
Chefget said:
I understand you might not blame the grocery store for selling obviously tainted beef, that it is the customer's responsibility to insure the safety of the product

That's just not the way I look at it
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Anyone in their right mind would look at it the same as you.

But as you can see in this thread that seems to lack for a few.

It’s very simple. Rebranded , restructured , new owner, irrelevant. They are Creepo liars . End of it. The show is over for good.
 
TennesseeThrillbilly said:
Anyone in their right mind would look at it the same as you.

But as you can see in this thread that seems to lack for a few.

It’s very simple. Rebranded , restructured , new owner, irrelevant. They are Creepo liars . End of it. The show is over for good.
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It should be over for good, but is it? Unfortunately probably not. Look at all the other terrible people still succeeding in the knife industry. As a vocal member of this community, bringing awareness to the disgusting backgrounds of various knife companies, I can honestly say not enough people care. Many people don't know, but just from engaging with those who do know on this forum, many many people don't care. They like the knife, they don't give a rats ass what the owner did.
 
shinyedges said:
It should be over for good, but is it? Unfortunately probably not. Look at all the other terrible people still succeeding in the knife industry. As a vocal member of this community, bringing awareness to the disgusting backgrounds of various knife companies, I can honestly say not enough people care. Many people don't know, but just from engaging with those who do know on this forum, many many people don't care. They like the knife, they don't give a rats ass what the owner did.
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I’ll die on that hill alone then.
 
Chefget said:
I understand you might not blame the grocery store for selling obviously tainted beef, that it is the customer's responsibility to insure the safety of the product

That's just not the way I look at it
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I don't actually disagree with you, I'm just saying that in the land of capitalism, expecting a company to take the moral high ground is unlikely.
 
I remember questioning the logic of "semi-custom" when I first heard talk of BRK. Machine fab the building blocks and then hand finsih for that custom feel without the custom price. So I bought a Bravo 1 in 3V and when it finally showed up I went looking up on the internet for random info about it. Sure was a sucker punch to find all the bad news back then. Now learning all this it's like it's happening all over again.

I Can't imagine being the guy on the line grinding off the markings on the blanks. I find it very difficult to want to forgive empoyees that knew what they were doing. Doesn't feel too far off from trying to sympathize with people that just wanted to do a quick B&E and didn't deserve to get shot in the process.
 
Armithius said:
I get being upset about this, but I'd like to point out that businesses exist for the sole purpose of making money. That's literally the whole point. Of course they're not going to jeopardize that when they aren't actually the ones doing the dirty work. There isn't a single business that exists solely to put a product in someone's hand out of the goodness of their heart. That's called charity. Bark River represents huge money to those guys, and morals don't pay the bills. I cannot think of anyone who made a lot of money who didn't step on people to do it. That's just how it works. Morals are for the customers to deal with.

Edit: it's also evidenced by pretty much everything that Mike Stewart did, or this whole thread wouldn't exist.

All we can do is choose where or where not to spend our money.
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That's an awfully big brush your painting everyone with I have owned a business for 15 yrs and I never screwed my guys, my customers or my suppliers to make a living. I may die old and poor, but I'll leave this world with my honor and integrity intact which apparently means a whole lot more to me than it does to you.
Have a good day.
 
Sadly I’ve seen enough devout support in the DLT and BRK FB groups to think that Jim could continue running a knife business. The psychology there is fascinating. There’s even people “happy” with their 9Cr18 knifes that they’re proudly making posts about how solid they are and how they see no need for refunds.

I wonder how they decided to do the heat treatment on them. I might be mistaken, I don’t think any of the Chinese steels have heat treatment protocols known to westerners. Maybe it can be inferred by the alloy makeup.
 
rtc71 said:
That's an awfully big brush your painting everyone with I have owned a business for 15 yrs and I never screwed my guys, my customers or my suppliers to make a living. I may die old and poor, but I'll leave this world with my honor and integrity intact which apparently means a whole lot more to me than it does to you.
Have a good day.
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I believe it was a broad generalization that he was making, not specifically at you.

Good on you for being honest. May it stay that way.
 
Chefget said:
Must make eating at restaurants highly tenuous for you
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A restaurant gets overseen by the board of health, and they know they'll get shutdown if they don't keep things clean, so there's motivation to stay above board. Also, I have gotten sick more than once from eating at a restaurant, so take that for what it's worth.

Seriously, this entire thread is evidence that if they can get away with it, they will try. I get that you want them to do the right thing. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that people don't make a lot of money by being nice, and believing anything else is just not realistic.
 
rtc71 said:
That's an awfully big brush your painting everyone with I have owned a business for 15 yrs and I never screwed my guys, my customers or my suppliers to make a living. I may die old and poor, but I'll leave this world with my honor and integrity intact which apparently means a whole lot more to me than it does to you.
Have a good day.
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Poor is the operative word, my friend. I'm talking about the people who make a lot of money with their businesses. I'm glad you have your integrity. A lot of businessfolk do not. It's a legitimate fact. It's absolutely wild to me that people can look at a millionaire and think that they're good people. Good people don't hoard wealth. Good people help others. Good people rarely own multi-million dollar companies.

I also don't know why everyone seems to think that I'm ok with those facts. I've stated that I am not. I'm just pointing out what is true of the vast majority of rich business owners. Reading comprehension is your friend, people.
 
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