Just slightly disappointed....noted some recent quality issues.. :-(

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This isn't a bash, but I feel compelled to point out a couple of recent things I've noticed on CRK's. I don't expect perfection, but when prices go up and discounts aren't offered, I expect quality to remain the same or better.

On my recently purchased Carbon Fiber Sebenza, I noticed the screws on the face aren't the same quality finish as the pile side. The tube (female) ends are machined in CRK's shop and are clearly the quality we expect. However, the screws on the face don't appear to be any better quality than a stainless machined screw found bouncing around in a bin at Home Depot. I asked about the screws and was told the weren't made in the shop at CRK. If that's the case, I might suggest CRK push back on the their vendor to provide screws to meet the standard we all know and love with CRK. What's even more frustrating, is being told I would be charged $1 for each replacement screw that doesn't have imperfections. Really?...$1 for each replacement screw that I'm trying to replace on a $400 dollar knife. How about replacing screws for free when customers complain (and I'm not the only one) then charging the vendor that supplied them. Or, finding a new vendor that will provide a product up to CRK's standard. I would accept this on a $200 Bradley Alias, but not a $400 Sebenza.

The second thing I noticed was with the Mnandi. On three recently made Mnandi's I noticed inlays that were cut smaller than the cutout on the frame. It left a VERY visible and unattractive gap. These were recently made Mnandi's (since all three sport the new pivot pin). On two I decided not to follow through with the transaction, and on the other I returned the knife. Again, this is quality expected of a $150 BM, not a $375 and $685 knife. The ironic part is that CRK makes it a point to clarify these are inlays, not overlays. "The essence of what I wanted to do rests in "inlay" and not "overlay". It is quite easy to add a piece of wood or ivory onto the outside of the handle, but I wanted to "inlay". It's clear there is a great deal of pride taken by CRK to make the tolerances so tight it needed to be pointed out. Unfortunately, the aforementioned Mnandi's didn't need clarification they were inlays.

I can only hope this is temporary and an issue that's been identified in manufacturing, not an issue of sloppy work as a result of falling back on laurels.

UPDATE 5-15: CRK contacted me and is sending me replacement screws. All is right with the world :). The screw issue wouldn't have stopped my next purchase (large CF Sebbie) or future CRK purchases. However, it gives me a great deal more confidence in the company and product moving forward. Thank you CRK!
 
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Sorry to hear about the troubles.

They have spent a lot of time choosing screws, though. Here is a post from CR on the subject:
Tell me where to buy better screws and I will buy then most of my grey hairs have come from screw manufacturers we have even tried Japan these are the best at this time .
 
Wow. Not surprised on the screws, as it's been brought up before, but really surprised regarding the inlays. Almost sounds like material shrinkage. Sorry, man!

Prof.
 
Speaking of screws, just bought two small 21s yesterday and the hole for the Allen key isn't centered in the screw. Looks bad.

Not bashing at all, just adding another data point about the screws. These are new 21s, just arrived from CRK when I bought them.
 
yoo cts thats the same problemi have with my sebenza .. not i really a problem but its noticeable ;)
 
Can someone tell be the thread pitch and uhl of these screws? I have a good friend is is uber ocd about his product and just so happens to own a screw machine shop with about 30 Browne and Sharp screw machines. I am sure he will quote me on this screw and I can then forward it to CRK for evaluation and see if CRK wants to have screws machined here local.
 
I stripped a screw on a 2011 small seb, non my fault but rather a soft screw, happened before on BM KAI and Boker
also the newer ones are machined (have round machining marks on the round part, cool looking) while the 2011 has polished ones, on one seb I have half half screws now, well bad luck I assume? or "can happen"?

I can believe that screws are not an easy part...
Maxx
 
Wow. Not surprised on the screws, as it's been brought up before, but really surprised regarding the inlays. Almost sounds like material shrinkage. Sorry, man!

Prof.

Because the wood they use is stabilized and often very hard / dense wood, my guess is the cut of the inlay is too small or the cutout on the slab is too big.
 
What's even more frustrating, is being told I would be charged $1 for each replacement screw that doesn't have imperfections.

I think you might be confused about what they told you. I would bet a small fortune that if Chris Reeve delivers a knife that has a screw or screws with imperfections, they will replace them free of charge. If you want them to replace screws that don't have any imperfections, the $1 charge makes sense.
 
I think you might be confused about what they told you. I would bet a small fortune that if Chris Reeve delivers a knife that has a screw or screws with imperfections, they will replace them free of charge. If you want them to replace screws that don't have any imperfections, the $1 charge makes sense.

Why would I ask for replacement screws if my screws didn't have imperfections?

In fact, I'll go a little further and tell you I was told to remove them and "polish / buff" them with a cloth. I suggested I would try to "correct" them with a buff (color base) then turn them to put a similar machined finish as the other side. Still...$1 per screw

I think my wording may have left you a little confused. It was $1 for each screw that THEY were going to pick out (for me) without imperfections. I wouldn't have called them if my screws were OK.........Make more sense now?

So, now that's it's cleared up.....I was STILL going to be charged $1 per screw to replace screws already in my knife I was displeased with.

One thing you'll understand about me is, I'm all about principle......

I would pay $10 per screw if it was something I did wrong......but that's not the case. You would think the purchase of 6 Mnandi's and 2 Sebenza's (at full retail) in the last few months would warrant a couple of free screws and possibly a shirt or hat....apparently, not the case.

As I'm not a Kool Aid drinker, and treat everything as a commodity (to be bought and sold with NO attachment) it's easy for me to "pull the plug" and move onto something else of interest when I feel by business isn't appreciated.
 
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This is sad! If they want better screws, why not make them yourselves?!?! Hinderer does it, so it can't be that big of a problem...
 
This is sad! If they want better screws, why not make them yourselves?!?! Hinderer does it, so it can't be that big of a problem...

I could have swore that in the past CRK did make their own screws, unless it was just the female side?

But as to the quality with the male screws, I have also noticed on my new Large Micarta Insingo dated 2012 that the female screws have more luster and are set into the handles, almost flush while the male screws are out and not as shiny as the female, also I am ANAL about not stripping the male ends or gumming up the hex hole, and I tried my hardest not to, but I ended up gumming up all the screws, and I have never had this problem with any of my Regular Sebenzas or Umnumzaans or other Sebenzas dated 2010 prior.

When I remove the screws I use much caution, and make sure the allen tool is fully seated and then once I break the screw loose I remove the tool and reseat it in another position so as to not gum up the hole, but this has been to no avail lately...

*Added Pictures for Clarification*

Sorry, first picture got kinda blurry, but you get the idea.

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"I could have swore that in the past CRK did make their own screws, unless it was just the female side?

But as to the quality with the male screws, I have also noticed on my new Large Micarta Insingo dated 2012 that the female screws have more luster and are set into the handles, almost flush while the male screws are out and not as shiny as the female, also I am ANAL about not stripping the male ends or gumming up the hex hole, and I tried my hardest not to, but I ended up gumming up all the screws, and I have never had this problem with any of my Regular Sebenzas or Umnumzaans or other Sebenzas dated 2010 prior.

When I remove the screws I use much caution, and make sure the allen tool is fully seated and then once I break the screw loose I remove the tool and reseat it in another position so as to not gum up the hole, but this has been to no avail lately..."



That's because the steel being used is softer (of lesser quality) and are full of inclusions (imperfections within the metal). Under a loop you can see "blotchy" areas. I tried to cut them out but they run rather deep. Typical of Asian inferior metal. I got 85% of them out and was able to lower the screw heads to be more flush with the handle slab. I'm currently in the watch business and the WORST stainless cases are those from Asia. The most consistent in quality are ones made in Germany, Switzerland and early US cases. MOST of the Swiss cases were manufactured in Germany. While at Lockheed I remember being told a story about the Japanese visiting US steel companies. They were "learning" how to manufacturer steel...LOL (didn't they make Samurai swords)....anyway...on a trip to Japan (follow up) one of the US steel men noticed something welded on the end of a beam. When asked, the Japanese worker replied " we saw it on the end of one of your beams". It turned out to be an ashtray a US worker welded to the end of a beam to hold his cigar. They had NO idea what it was...(can't stop laughing) but they put it there anyway. Moral of the story....never buy from those who copy and don't create.
 
Your story seems a bit far fetched. Japanese are known for their attention to detail. Maybe back in the 80's or before sure(is that where your story is from?). Still though to lump them in with HK, mainland China, etc is ridiculous. If you want to side rail into watches(which they have some really good ones as well as innovative), how about the quality of their cars and computers compared to US made? I'm not Japanese, and a lot of my people don't like them, but one thing i do respect is their quality and attention to detail amongst other things. sorry for the rant, but your post kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Not saying everyones perfect, but blanket statements like this are a bit much.

I haven't noticed any problems with my 2011 or 2012 screws and have taken them down quite a few times. Maybe there are some screws that have some quality control. Would be great to hear from the people who have a few more of the 2012 sebs to see if there is a consensus on these.
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"I could have swore that in the past CRK did make their own screws, unless it was just the female side?

But as to the quality with the male screws, I have also noticed on my new Large Micarta Insingo dated 2012 that the female screws have more luster and are set into the handles, almost flush while the male screws are out and not as shiny as the female, also I am ANAL about not stripping the male ends or gumming up the hex hole, and I tried my hardest not to, but I ended up gumming up all the screws, and I have never had this problem with any of my Regular Sebenzas or Umnumzaans or other Sebenzas dated 2010 prior.

When I remove the screws I use much caution, and make sure the allen tool is fully seated and then once I break the screw loose I remove the tool and reseat it in another position so as to not gum up the hole, but this has been to no avail lately..."



That's because the steel being used is softer (of lesser quality) and are full of inclusions (imperfections within the metal). Under a loop you can see "blotchy" areas. I tried to cut them out but they run rather deep. Typical of Asian inferior metal. I got 85% of them out and was able to lower the screw heads to be more flush with the handle slab. I'm currently in the watch business and the WORST stainless cases are those from Asia. The most consistent in quality are ones made in Germany, Switzerland and early US cases. MOST of the Swiss cases were manufactured in Germany. While at Lockheed I remember being told a story about the Japanese visiting US steel companies. They were "learning" how to manufacturer steel...LOL (didn't they make Samurai swords)....anyway...on a trip to Japan (follow up) one of the US steel men noticed something welded on the end of a beam. When asked, the Japanese worker replied " we saw it on the end of one of your beams". It turned out to be an ashtray a US worker welded to the end of a beam to hold his cigar. They had NO idea what it was...(can't stop laughing) but they put it there anyway. Moral of the story....never buy from those who copy and don't create.
 
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Your story seems a bit far fetched. Japanese are known for their attention to detail. Maybe back in the 80's or before sure(is that where your story is from?). Still though to lump them in with HK, mainland China, etc is ridiculous. If you want to side rail into watches(which they have some really good ones as well as innovative), how about the quality of their cars and computers compared to US made? I'm not Japanese, and a lot of my people don't like them, but one thing i do respect is their quality and attention to detail amongst other things. sorry for the rant, but your post kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Not saying everyones perfect, but blanket statements like this are a bit much.

You're correct, they make great cars, TVs and radios (when build plans are provided and someone elses' inventions are reversed engineered). Leave the heavy lifting technology stuff like Satellites and Guidance systems up to US ;-). The good ole days...I remember having to hide our build plans while building BS 3N (Satellite) for the Japanese when they visited us. You see, they are the BEST at copying.

I guess it's frustrating when everything I handle made in Asia outside of the aforementioned TV or Radio FAILS me. And it ALWAYS seems to be the steel ;-). In all the reading I do on these forums, NEVER do I read VG-10 being held in as high regard as any US made steel. It's always.."it's a good steel"..nothing more.

I'm not prejudice in ANY way (well, maybe a little with Italian men..lol)...but none the less. If I want the best watch I buy German (yes, Germans make a far superior watch than any Swiss), NEWS FLASH: Most of "Swiss Made" watch parts are made in China. Neoprene, Japanese, Knife, US, Fishing Reel, Japan or US and China, China and Leather, Italy.

"Attention to detail"...are you sure you want detailed images of the screws? It's an image you won't be able to get out of your head, disgraceful. If the screws were made in Germany, be rest assured this post would never have existed. Keep in mind....we still don't know the origin of the purchased screws....just making an assumption.
 
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I have a large micarta insingo, and an umnumzaan. Both are made within the last month or two and both have uncentered bad looking screws. I was disappointed. I have have owned about ten different crk folders and none looked like these.

There were also machining marks left in the spine of my umnumzaan blade, something I have never seen on a CRK. Maybe they are slipping. Or have a new quality control guy.

It's easy to be let down when you pay so much expecting perfection. All of my previous crk were perfect.$ 485 micarta and $425 umnumzaan with the most uncentered screws I have ever noticed on a knife is silly.
 
I have a large micarta insingo, and an umnumzaan. Both are made within the last month or two and both have uncentered bad looking screws. I was disappointed. I have have owned about ten different crk folders and none looked like these.

There were also machining marks left in the spine of my umnumzaan blade, something I have never seen on a CRK. Maybe they are slipping. Or have a new quality control guy.

It's easy to be let down when you pay so much expecting perfection. All of my previous crk were perfect.$ 485 micarta and $425 umnumzaan with the most uncentered screws I have ever noticed on a knife is silly.


So the uncentered screw thing isn't just me.

I've bought two Umnums that were both made this year, and like you they have very noticeable machining marks on the spine.


Probably from abuse, no way it came out of the factory looking that way.

































:D:p;) That was a joke people. Calm down.
 
[/QUOTE]It's easy to be let down when you pay so much expecting perfection. All of my previous crk were perfect.$ 485 micarta and $425 umnumzaan with the most uncentered screws I have ever noticed on a knife is silly.[/QUOTE]

AMEN!!!
 
I was curious about this myself, so I examined my three recent Sebenzas, all of 2012 manufacture, under strong magnification. I found all screw heads to have perfectly centered Allen heads, all were well and smoothly polished, and fit properly to the frames on all three knives. No issues here, on any of them. :thumbup:
 
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