KakBritva Luch, Hapstone R2, TSPROF K03.........looking for a fixed higher end "complete" sharpening system. Need advice

777 Edge said:
It's really more aesthetic than anything. It looks great and shows real attention to detail.

With any other stone backing, just make sure it seats down all the way into the stone clamps and compensate for thickness all the time.
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It does look nice. Was just thinking there was some other advantage of the precision machined blanks, in terms of end to end tolerances with regard to overall flatness.
 
cnhensel said:
It does look nice. Was just thinking there was some other advantage of the precision machined blanks, in terms of end to end tolerances with regard to overall flatness.
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Some would say it makes a difference but honestly, I've only found it to be aesthetic. Yes, other stone blanks may not be as perfectly machined, or not perfectly 45 degrees or not even perfectly straight in some cases but as long as it seats all the way into the stone clamp and, sits securely and the top surface is level and flat then the end result will be perfectly fine.
 
Received my Hapstone R2 tonight. The stone holders were not what I was expecting. Each end is a solid, milled piece as opposed to the two-piece ends in all of the pictures.


I ordered Venev Ursa narrow dual-sided stones. They obviously fit, but curious how to keep them aligned. The pictured holder seems to maintain them with the points on each end of the tab.

Would I be better off with a set of stone on blanks?
 
sranderle said:
Received my Hapstone R2 tonight. The stone holders were not what I was expecting. Each end is a solid, milled piece as opposed to the two-piece ends in all of the pictures.


I ordered Venev Ursa narrow dual-sided stones. They obviously fit, but curious how to keep them aligned. The pictured holder seems to maintain them with the points on each end of the tab.

Would I be better off with a set of stone on blanks?
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Yeah, I heard that Hapstone would eventually make this the new standard as a result of the fact that a lot of people did not understand and then broke and abused the previous generation of swivel-able clamp holders.

The previous generation is my favorite because of the fact that the clamps could slightly swivel to align with uneven stones.

Unfortunately, there were a large number of uneducated (on how to use the clamps) customers who thought the swivel clamps were a design flaw and tried to over-tighten the screws, damaging the clamps and stripping the thread. Guys were also stating online and in videos that the stone clamps were defective - which they were NOT. I would imagine that this resulted in a lot of warranty returns for Hapstone because of people not understanding that the clamps were designed to swivel a bit.

This, unfortunately is one of the many negatives of our new hyper connected world often resulting in misinformation being spread online without knowing the proper facts. And companies then have to respond and modify their products, often resulting in a step back in effectiveness.

It's a pity that the clamps are now more solid and milled - obviously this makes them strong and rigid, but personally I much prefer the previous swivel-able ones.

Your Ursa stones will still work just fine, you may just need to slightly align them every once in a while. As long as they are seated down all the way they will be fine while sharpening. I use my Ursa and Centaur stones with many other sharpening systems that use the same rigid type stone clamps without any real issues.
 
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777 Edge said:
Yeah, I heard that Hapstone would eventually make this the new standard as a result of the fact that a lot of people did not understand and then broke and abused the previous generation of swivel-able clamp holders.

The previous generation is my favorite because of the fact that the clamps could slightly swivel to align with uneven stones.

Unfortunately, there were a large number of uneducated (on how to use the clamps) customers who thought the swivel clamps were a design flaw and tried to over-tighten the screws, damaging the clamps and stripping the thread. Guys were also stating online and in videos that the stone clamps were defective - which they were NOT. I would imagine that this resulted in a lot of warranty returns for Hapstone because of people not understanding that the clamps were designed to swivel a bit.

This, unfortunately is one of the many negatives of our new hyper connected world often resulting in misinformation being spread online without knowing the proper facts. And companies then have to respond and modify their products, often resulting in a step back in effectiveness.

It's a pity that the clamps are now more solid and milled - obviously this makes them strong and rigid, but personally I much prefer the previous swivel-able ones.

Your Ursa stones will still work just fine, you may just need to slightly align them every once in a while. As long as they are seated down all the way they will be fine while sharpening. I use my Ursa and Centaur stones with many other sharpening systems that use the same rigid type stone clamps without any real issues.
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777, I’m looking at those prices for each stones and I’m seeing 60-70 bucks per stone. How would the h2 compare to the deluxe kme kit which looks super tempting at that price?
 
SeabassSarmale said:
777, I’m looking at those prices for each stones and I’m seeing 60-70 bucks per stone. How would the h2 compare to the deluxe kme kit which looks super tempting at that price?
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It's apples and oranges. KME makes a nice, US made kit but it's nowhere near the same versatility and quality as one of these systems. The KME clamp is also very lacking when it comes to properly securing many knives and KME does not seem interested in improving their clamp system or offering additional clamp options. I know this comment always opens a can of worms with KME fans but there really is no comparison if you need to sharpen a wide range of knives. KME has a huge fan base but in most cases it's because they haven't used any of the top tier systems yet or are bias because of where a system is made. Also because of well know "experienced" YouTubers promoting it.

There is a reason why there are so many KME tips about using pieces of leather, rubber, etc to make a knife seat better in the clamp. That reason has to do with the geometry of the clamp being limited by its rear plate.

The KME kit also comes with diamond plated stones, the Venev stones mentioned above are diamond in resin. Also a huge difference.

If you want diamond plated stones like the ones KME uses then there are lots and lots of very inexpensive and great choices available on the market. There are diamond plated stone sets for 20 bucks for a set of 8 or 10, and many of them work just as well as the KME diamond plated stones if you use them the right way.

If you want diamond/cbn resin / sintered / bonded stones then you're looking at a more expensive price range due to how they are made, how they perform and how long they last.
 
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777 Edge said:
It's apples and oranges. KME makes a nice, US made kit but it's nowhere near the same versatility and quality as a one of these systems. The KME clamp is also very lacking when it comes to properly securing many knives and KME does not seem interested in improving in their clamp system or offering additional clamp options. I know this comment always opens a can of worms with KME fans but there really is no comparison if you need to sharpen a wide range of knives. KME has a huge fan base but in most cases it's because they haven't used any of the top tier systems yet or are bias because of where a system is made. Also because of well know "experienced" YouTubers promoting it.

There is a reason why there are so many KME tips about using pieces of leather, rubber, etc to make a knife seat better in the clamp. That reason has to do with the geometry of the clamp being limited by its rear plate.

The KME kit also comes with diamond plated stones, the Venev stones mentioned above are diamond in resin. Also a huge difference.

If you want diamond plated stones like the ones KME uses then there are lots and lots of very inexpensive and great choices available on the market.

If you want diamond/cbn resin / sintered / bonded stones then you're looking at a more expensive price range due to how they are made, how they perform and how long they last.
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Ok so, any sets of diamond resin stones that will last a while, while not busting my wallet?
 
SeabassSarmale said:
Ok so, any sets of diamond resin stones that will last a while, while not busting my wallet?
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Do you mean diamond plated like the ones KME uses, or diamond resin stones (like Venev, CGSW etc?)

Most of the inexpensive diamond plated stones will last a long time as long as you don't sharpen with excessive pressure and use some type of lubrication (like soapy water) while sharpening.
 
777 Edge said:
Do you mean diamond plated like the ones KME uses, or diamond resin stones (like Venev, CGSW etc?)

Most of the inexpensive diamond plated stones will last a long time as long as you don't sharpen with excessive pressure and use some type of lubrication (like soapy water) while sharpening.
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The more durable ones like you mentioned. If I was to invest in a system like the h2. A set of stones that can sharpen 99% of what I need. 100-1200 grit? Any suggestions?
 
SeabassSarmale said:
The more durable ones like you mentioned. If I was to invest in a system like the h2. A set of stones that can sharpen 99% of what I need. 100-1200 grit? Any suggestions?
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I think you mean the R2, not h2? Hapstone?

If you're just getting into sharpening, then I'd say get the "basic diamond set" of diamond plated stones (similar stone type as the KME diamond stones are). A set of these stones is less than 30 bucks and it's a great start. These stones will sharpen any steel just fine.

Later on in future, if you want superb next level edges then a set of Venev centaur diamond resin stones 80-1200 would serve you well.

For the Hapstone R2 version, I suggest the Hapstone R2 "Standard". It's also worth getting a digital angle cube, a Hapstone fine tuning adapter and a set of spring stoppers.

Have a look below:

www.gritomatic.com

Hapstone R2 Standard Knife Sharpener

Hapstone R2 Knife Sharpener is the new knife sharpener from Hapstone, supplier of successful Hapstone R1. Hapstone R2 on par with Hapstone V8 and Hapstone M3 is part of the Hapstone Modular Platform, innovative technology to let customers configure and upgrade the sharpening system with no...
www.gritomatic.com www.gritomatic.com
 
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777 Edge said:
I think you mean the R2, not h2? Hapstone?

If you're just getting into sharpening, then I'd say get the "basic diamond set" of diamond plated stones (similar stone type as the KME diamond stones are). A set of these stones is less than 30 bucks and it's a great start. These stones will sharpen any steel just fine.

Later on in future, if you want superb next level edges then a set of Venev centaur diamond resin stones 80-1200 would serve you well.

For the Hapstone R2 version, I suggest the Hapstone R2 "Standard". It's also worth getting a digital angle cube, a Hapstone fine tuning adapter and a set of spring stoppers.

Have a look below:

www.gritomatic.com

Hapstone R2 Standard Knife Sharpener

Hapstone R2 Knife Sharpener is the new knife sharpener from Hapstone, supplier of successful Hapstone R1. Hapstone R2 on par with Hapstone V8 and Hapstone M3 is part of the Hapstone Modular Platform, innovative technology to let customers configure and upgrade the sharpening system with no...
www.gritomatic.com www.gritomatic.com
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Alright, I’m gonna take your word for it, and start saving up. I’m not great at sharpening or anything, but I’ve got some old kitchen knives and edc stuff I can practice on. Will the set of centaur stones bring my edge to near mirror polish? Or would you recommend a strop compound? Thanks for the info
 
sranderle said:
Received my Hapstone R2 tonight. The stone holders were not what I was expecting. Each end is a solid, milled piece as opposed to the two-piece ends in all of the pictures.


I ordered Venev Ursa narrow dual-sided stones. They obviously fit, but curious how to keep them aligned. The pictured holder seems to maintain them with the points on each end of the tab.

Would I be better off with a set of stone on blanks?
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I was about to buy the R2. Do you have a pictire of what the new stone clamps look like?
 
Another question as I start playing with the R2.

I thought I had seen comments or videos that showed the top of the rotating clamp in the new version as being magnetic for angle cubes. Mine definitely is not, but easily 'fixed'.

Am I remembering wrong on this 'feature'? If so, you would think this would be an obvious enhancement at that is part of the workflow.
 
Another question as I start playing with the R2.
sranderle said:
I thought I had seen comments or videos that showed the top of the rotating clamp in the new version as being magnetic for angle cubes. Mine definitely is not, but easily 'fixed'.

Am I remembering wrong on this 'feature'? If so, you would think this would be an obvious enhancement at that is part of the workflow.
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It looks like it has the plate beside the orange thumb screw in your picture? Is it there but no longer magnetic? Not sure if this link is allowed but this looks like it has the new clamps and also has the metal Hapstone logo plate still. https://images.app.goo.gl/3Dt3xDB9DY8aU9FNA
 
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I have two older versions of the clamp. My favorite is my original r1 clamp. One solid piece from end to end. A little spring clamp n a slide for different length stones. Next Gen was the first rotating clamp. I still like the r1 clamp more. To the point I've thought about cutting guide rods n jimmying it together so I have a convex adapter and the original r1 clamp. it's more that the original has a thumb screw to tighten your spring clamp. It's another allen key vs my fingers.

Not sure what you mean by magnetic. A magnet should stick to it. Steel should not. The part itself is not a mag. The mag should be on you're angle cube?
 
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