Kakbritva thoughts

777 Edge said:
As a set, I really like my Venev CBN Orion stones, but I also love my low grit Poltava CBN 120 metallic bond as a bevel setter.
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Are the quality of the stones the same or is one company better.
I have venev MS1 diamond set.
I'm thinking of ordering a set of CBN metallic bond on up 2/1
 
knivesgr said:
Are the quality of the stones the same or is one company better.
I have venev MS1 diamond set.
I'm thinking of ordering a set of CBN metallic bond on up 2/1
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I can't comment too much on the Venev MS1 stones, I have a set and I do like them a lot but I haven't used them extensively yet. That said, they are very promising from what I've seen thus far. I've used the Poltava metallic bonded stones more as I've had my set longer than my MS-1 set - they certainly are good stones.

Venev makes excellent resin bonded stones, both in CBN or Diamond. They leave a great edge on any steel, the top of the line still being their Orion series in my opinion.

At this point in time, my personal preference remains to be diamond or CBN resin type bonded stones like Venev Orion or CGSW. I do like the CBN metallic bonded stones too, but I still prefer a stone that wears down easier with use and refreshes easier with something as simple as a soft nagura stone.

To remove metal fast, low grit metallic bond or even chrome plated diamond stones are king of the hill.
 
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777 Edge said:
I can't comment too much on the Venev MS1 stones, I have a set and I do like them a lot but I haven't used them extensively yet. That said, they are very promising from what I've seen thus far. I've used the Poltava metallic bonded stones more as I've had my set longer than my MS-1 set - they certainly are good stones.

Venev makes excellent resin bonded stones, both in CBN or Diamond. They leave a great edge on any steel, the top of the line still being their Orion series in my opinion.

At this point in time, my personal preference remains to be diamond or CBN resin type bonded stones like Venev Orion or CGSW. I do like the CBN metallic bonded stones too, but I still prefer a stone that wears down easier with use and refreshes easier with something as simple as a soft nagura stone.

To remove metal fast, low grit metallic bond or even chrome plated diamond stones are king of the hill.
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New question. Which system would you own if you could only own one. If money wasn't the question. Which system would you pick.
 
Grid-Viva systems are entirely hand made to the highest tolerances imaginable and done in small quantities. I got mine from Gritomatic in the USA.
 
777 Edge said:
Grid-Viva systems are entirely hand made to the highest tolerances imaginable and done in small quantities. I got mine from Gritomatic in the USA.
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I looked it up looks awesome! I think it's russian made too. I contacted someone I deal with in Russia to see if I can get my hands on one. Which one would you say is runner up to grid-viva
 
Here is a thread about the Grid-Viva:

Sebenza 31, Grid Viva sharpener and Venev CBN Orion Eye Candy

I wanted to give my newly acquired Sebenza 31 a proper edge so I decided to give it the Rolls Royce treatment using my Grid Viva sharpening system. Arguably one of the best sharpening systems on the planet. The tolerances and workmanship of the Grid Viva is absolutely insane - which pairs up...
www.bladeforums.com www.bladeforums.com

As far as my general recommendation goes, the best all-round high-end sharpening system (when looking at a combination of availability, quality, price, upgradeability, modularity, future support, usability and accuracy) remains to be the Hapstone R2 Standard system in my opinion.

Hapstone is widely available, has a proven track record and it's made by a company that specializes in knife sharpening systems specifically.
 
777 Edge said:
Here is a thread about the Grid-Viva:

Sebenza 31, Grid Viva sharpener and Venev CBN Orion Eye Candy

I wanted to give my newly acquired Sebenza 31 a proper edge so I decided to give it the Rolls Royce treatment using my Grid Viva sharpening system. Arguably one of the best sharpening systems on the planet. The tolerances and workmanship of the Grid Viva is absolutely insane - which pairs up...
www.bladeforums.com www.bladeforums.com

As far as my general recommendation goes, the best all-round high-end sharpening system (when looking at a combination of availability, quality, price, upgradeability, modularity, future support, usability and accuracy) remains to be the Hapstone R2 Standard system in my opinion.

Hapstone is widely available, has a proven track record and it's made by a company that specializes in knife sharpening systems specifically.
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You think the hapstone beats kazak on quality and accuracy?
 
knivesgr said:
You think the hapstone beats kazak on quality and accuracy?
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Just looking at build quality, Kazak is better - but not by much.

When used correctly, they are equally accurate and produce equally sharp knives.

Looking at the whole picture, I think Hapstone is a better choice. Hapstone has many more clamp options, a proven track record and easier availability for parts, support and upgrades.
 
knivesgr said:
Have you heard of the company patriot sharpening in Ukraine
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I think it's "sharpening patriot", and yes they seem to have nice systems but again - the ease of availability and a proven track record is an unknown factor.
 
Yes you have a big point with the track record. I must say I have ordered little things from hapstone. Box etc. Very fast to ship. Kazak has great customer support here. Atleast in my experience so far
 
knivesgr said:
Have you heard of the company patriot sharpening in Ukraine
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Looking at the finer details in the pics of the "sharpening patriot" website, they seem to have many parts from Kazak sharpeners in their systems. It seems very likely that Kazak makes many of their parts for them.
 
Maybe . I'm for sure no where near as well informed on this topic as you. But I'm looking to buy a more fine tuned system. I was looking at the patriot and kazak 100. The patriot support ehhh. Kazak has been great so far. I was thinking kazak 100 with the light system.
I messaged also about the grid-viva
 
knivesgr said:
Maybe . I'm for sure no where near as well informed on this topic as you. But I'm looking to buy a more fine tuned system. I was looking at the patriot and kazak 100. The patriot support ehhh. Kazak has been great so far. I was thinking kazak 100 with the light system.
I messaged also about the grid-viva
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Don't get me wrong, you definitely can't go wrong with a Kazak, and the model 100 is a great system for sure! I love my Kazak system.

My typical recommendation of the Hapstone R2 Standard is for the larger audience of high level enthusiasts looking for a system that will satisfy all their needs. It will also give them the option of upgrading or accessories later on, if they so choose.

For those of us even more obsessed with extreme sharpening, willing to spend more in one go to get all the bells and whistles of a system - there certainly are some great options out there. But it's probably wise to buy a complete system, with some extra available parts and all the available accessories from some of the lesser known brands - just in case you can't get parts or upgrades in future again.
 
777 Edge said:
Don't get me wrong, you definitely can't go wrong with a Kazak, and the model 100 is a great system for sure! I love my Kazak system.

My typical recommendation of the Hapstone R2 Standard is for the larger audience of high level enthusiasts looking for a system that will satisfy all their needs. It will also give them option of upgrading or accessories later on, if they so choose.

For those of us even more obsessed with extreme sharpening, willing to spend more in one go to get all the bells and whistles of a system - there certainly are some great options out there. But it's probably wise to buy a complete system, with some extra available parts and all the available accessories from some of the unknown names - just in case you can't get parts or upgrades in future again.
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Ok yes I'm willing to spend a little more lol. I do have the kakbritva as we spoke before. Parts for that are pretty easy for me to get I just have to wait 2 week. But I'm not leaning towards the sharpening patriot. As the customer support is not good. As of now I'm leaning towards kazak and we will see about the grid Viva if the manufacturer emails me back.

Would you say the kazak is a high end system? With high accuracy when turning to the other side of the blade
 
knivesgr said:
Would you say the kazak is a high end system? With high accuracy when turning to the other side of the blade
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Most definitely yes, but your KakBritva is also certainly a great system!

The accuracy of whole milled clamps can sometimes go out slightly if they are bent up or down out of shape too much. This can sometimes make it appear that there are inaccuracies in the rotating mechanism, when in fact it is just a slightly bent clamp that can easily be nudged back into alignment.
 
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