Karambit Question

Wolfeye said:
Krissig12: Also, I think the real point of that handle on the Dart is just for retention, knuckledusting, and glass breaking.

That Dart was something I like the idea of & want to add to my collection, but I figure I'd need something a bit longer to reach the "quick-ending" stuff if I was using a straight blade. My reasoning is that, outside of the brain or spine, I would need to reach the kidneys, lungs, or heart (which is not necessarily something I could reach with a short blade to begin with, never mind if they're wearing thick clothes or have a lot of fat on them- they could even be wearing some form of body armor). A lot of people say that they thought they were just being punched when they were actually being stabbed, so ending the fight from pain might be tougher with a straight blade.
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I missed this. I doubt the ring would be suitable for glass breaking; the butt end would be preferable as I wouldn't be able to fit my finger in the ring with gloves on. The DART is a SD reactive tool, meant to create an opening so you can break contact (bug out) and escape, not to terminate the attacker. Even in the demo videos, You'll note the Fox rep in the video below prefers 2 trainers for defensive duty.

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Even in his original demo video, Marcaida's clearly going for impact strikes with the closed knife (both retracted and extended) and "get the hell away from me" stabs.

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Doubtless he could show you all the niceties beyond this level, but he also has two videos on how to use a $3 mini hammer from Harbor Freight up as well (one under Funker, and one under his own channel, which you can check out on your own). For an immediate termination of hostilities and/or consciousness, impact beats edged, unless you've got a sword, and your first strike was a decapitation move.

Failing that, you could check out some of the Krudo offerings (there are more on his site but he's not a BF dealer to my knowledge), as the larger fixed models would lend themselves to your goals. His folders and smaller fixies wouldn't work for you as his thing is to instill pain and break contact or keep control with more pain.

Wolfeye said:
KBar666: Well, yeah- the lockback CAN fold onto your fingers, but I'm looking for something that isn't LIKELY to close just from your grip or from various forces moving it against your hand while using it. It's also got that blunt spot so it wouldn't cut your fingers if it did.
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The Karahawk has a Boye dent in the release to prevent this. The 5.11 needs one added, which I had done.
 
RemyKaze: Thanks, that's pretty much exactly what I was looking to find out. Was almost going to buy the Fox, since it's something that I knew would make a deep slash & was cheaper, but I kept coming back to that damn liner lock & how it COULD close on my hand in the middle of something serious- edge right to fingers. Think I'll wait a bit longer & get the Spyderco.

Good to know about those guys- they can make the steel not throw a glare, right? I guess it would be doable with just some sandpaper, but could they return the steel to an unfinished state AFTER it's been finished?
 
Wolfeye said:
RemyKaze: Thanks, that's pretty much exactly what I was looking to find out. Was almost going to buy the Fox, since it's something that I knew would make a deep slash & was cheaper, but I kept coming back to that damn liner lock & how it COULD close on my hand in the middle of something serious- edge right to fingers. Think I'll wait a bit longer & get the Spyderco.

Good to know about those guys- they can make the steel not throw a glare, right? I guess it would be doable with just some sandpaper, but could they return the steel to an unfinished state AFTER it's been finished?
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PM me and I might be able to find you one for cheap.
 
XxFULLPOWERxX: I hear what you're saying & appreciate the way you said it, but keep in mind that I figure that it WOULD catch on the pocket- that's the point. Plus, waving it is just running it along a surface. Not too time-consuming & is a movement that can be done mid-fight. I think the Dart is more maneuverable, but it's not necessarily going to incapacitate someone quickly- much less have that effect wherever you hit. That's why I like the karambit, it's like a shotgun- if you hit anything solidly, the situation's probably over.

As for the fortitude & general coordination with a passable knowledge of anatomy, I've got that. I have more of a "Good & Bad WOLF" mentality, not "Bad Wolf & Good Sheep" mentality. I don't think all that "only 2% can do it" stuff is real, I honestly figure it's like swimming- nobody gives you any strange looks for swimming so you don't drown, so why should it be any different if you counter someone trying to drown you (figuratively or literally)? You wouldn't swim on dry land any more than you should be like a wind-up toy with violence (or hospitality, for that matter).
 
average gimp: I think the sales rep is somewhat just trying to make a sale for the trainers. Like it'll be useful for more than just training- which it COULD be, but I'd never in a million years go with a dull knife as an impact weapon & only an impact weapon instead of a sharp blade that CAN be used as an impact weapon in most of the same ways.

I'm pretty sure I say that thing with the hammer (using it like a knife, right?). Was very interesting to see that if you just put the head right under your hand, you can use it more or less like a dagger & make a hammer quick, maneuverable, and unpredictable (three things it's usually not). While I think impact weapons can do good stuff, it's not always that easy to knock someone out or bash their head in. If nothing else, the head is just one target that people can & do defend pretty easily (especially if they only have to guard themselves while their supporters go after you). Plus, it's a little hard to carry a full-sized hammer on you without drawing negative attention. People get shot for nothing, as well as for not fighting back, so these days- I'd rather have a more "covert" option.
 
RemyKaze: That's interesting. Why did you do that? Think I'll be trying to make the ring & clip dull so it doesn't throw a glare. I could probably do that with fine sandpaper, right? Also, have you ever cut it against a ham or something? I keep looking for cutting demonstrations with this, but can't find any.
 
Wolfeye said:
RemyKaze: That's interesting. Why did you do that? Think I'll be trying to make the ring & clip dull so it doesn't throw a glare. I could probably do that with fine sandpaper, right? Also, have you ever cut it against a ham or something? I keep looking for cutting demonstrations with this, but can't find any.
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No, I haven't cut any hams. I'll leave that sort of thing to cold steel. It cuts like any other sharp knife except it is more prone to penetrate and then drag/rip rather than slice. And I did it because I wanted it to be mine, to look the way I wanted. The ergonomics open and closed are much better now.
 
I get it. So can you use it better as an impact weapon? I don't get what that would do to the ergonomics of it when open.
 
Wolfeye said:
I get it. So can you use it better as an impact weapon? I don't get what that would do to the ergonomics of it when open.
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I ground the back hump of the ring down and also the hump behind the spydie hole. Impact weapon? I guess. It's to be able to hold it more comfortably. I know it is somewhat intended as a weapon, but that is not the best way to see it. It is a tool that works well as a weapon. Automatically identifying it as a weapon will instill a certain mindset and probably will end badly with a cop if a confrontation with anyone did occur and you had to explain your actions.
 
RemyKaze: Yeah, I get your meaning- but I think if you tell a cop "I slashed him/them open with my glass breaker," they'll probably assume the worst or simply get pissed (like you're trying to trick them- then again, they sometimes see anything other than admitting fault as trying to get away with one). In truth, it seems that whenever they get agitated they attack & they get agitated by their own imagination as well as other people's actions- if you do something that COULD have been something else, they get riled-up by picturing that & go off.

Personally, I would be more distrusting of someone that acted like they saw a weapon as a tool until they were attacked & then they figured out that they could use it as one. Sure, there's a such thing as an improvised weapon, but acting like someone was so harmless that they didn't even think that a knife could be used as a weapon strikes me as someone trying not to get wrongfully persecuted or a complete snake.
 
For a little more than the Spyderco, the Brous is definitely something to consider.

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