Well, this guy (Jeff Carte, Lisa Carte, Jeff Karg, etc.) has done it again. I sent in my ZT0560 for a custom scale over a month ago (it should have hit me that this guy was way too eager in texting me as to when I was going to send it to him); he promised it within 2 weeks. It's now over a month and he has promised me on at least 3 different occasions that he will send it to me (that day, that week, same bullish*t). I last spoke to him over 10 days ago and he indicated that both his father and father-in-law recently had a heart attack. Ok...I'm not that big of a douche so I folded and told him he can send it to me when he returned home. The guy is dodging my emails and calls now. I want to start this thread here as well as other forums: 1) to let people know what an individual this guy truly is 2) compile a database as to what kind of reasons he can come up with on a daily basis and 3) get in touch with all of those that have been scammed and filed some sort of "class-action" against this fool. Jeff, if you're a stand-up guy, own this and return my knife. Members, any help you can offer me with this matter is greatly appreciated.
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Karg Knives (handle The Sun)
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i don't know this fellow, but this isn't his first go around on this board. there was another post about this kinda not so good service/trouble(sorry, details escape me, but i know it wasn't good). a search should find that thread and you can see the outcome from that mess. good luck, hope you come out okay.
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I currently have a handful of knives out with Jeff. He sent the completed work back in a decent timeframe, and the work was excellent, but I wanted a bit more material removed from the scales and sent them back, with a couple other knives to be rescaled. Still waiting on getting them back from him, but its only been two weeks. I actually just sent him an email asking for an update, as well as exploring the possibilty of work in the future.
I'm sure he'll make good on his end. From what I can tell from correspondence, he's a good guy. Keeping tabs on this, though. (hoping all goes well)
I'm sure he'll make good on his end. From what I can tell from correspondence, he's a good guy. Keeping tabs on this, though. (hoping all goes well)
ya, I sent you a link with the video, apparently from what I've heard he likes to tell people lies like "he'll send them out soon " and that "there almost done" just to buy time. Seems like hes in a hole and trying to do anything to stay a float.
Quick disclosure just so everyone knows: I have not had any correspondence with Jeff at all and don't know him, I'm just relaying information I have heard.
I believe he's had issues of this nature here, on jerzeedevil, and even 1 or 2 on the CPF Marketplace as well. There always seems to be some sort of personal issues (health, either with himself or his family) that prevents him from completing his work and returning items to paying customers.
By the looks of things he does excellent work but I would never take a chance with him. Good luck to you and I hope he keeps his word and returns what is owed to you.
By the looks of things he does excellent work but I would never take a chance with him. Good luck to you and I hope he keeps his word and returns what is owed to you.
Thank you everyone for your support...I'm one to admit when I'm licked. After posting the thread, I demanded that the knife be in my possession by Wednesday 6/27/12 from Jeff. Sure enough, he spent over $30 to overnight it to me along with an extra CF scale; a note of apology was included in the package. I just returned home from the post office and there is not question concerning his quality of work...it's beautiful. The G11 scale fits and mold my hand perfectly. This was never about his quality of work (I've not edited the original post in anyway since posting); it was about his promises and continual/habitual excuses of delivery. And I was ready to say give the guy another chance given family condition (see post#1). However, I received a call from Jeff today as I was leaving the office.
I sensed the angst in his voice. I pulled over as I am not about to enter a verbal joust via the phone while driving. I informed him I've not picked the knife from the USPS and will update the post here accordingly. Jeff owned up his promise of delivery, and I can appreciate that. It did not end there; he berated me because I had improperly used his wife's name and mentioned the condition of his fathers. Ok...perhaps this was my mistake and I will apologize for such. However, when Jeff offers up her email address as form of payment, is it within reason to assume that she is also part of the business? If person B receives all financial proceeds while A does the work for such financial proceeds, what can we infer? Lest this is an indentured servitude (although most of us married guys can empathize), I assume that Jeff's wife knows of his business.
Second, relating to his fathers, again if I stepped out of bounds, I openly and publicly apologize to Jeff. Given the context of the unedited post, I stated such illustrating my understanding till Jeff returns home and can send out my knife to me accordingly. The reason for this mentioning is to add weight to point 2 of the post, which is to accumulate the reasons to which Jeff will cycle through in order to delay this and any future delivery.
In the process of venting his anger at me for stating the foregoing in a public forum, he indicated that the occurrences on USN and here are isolated. Those that have been misdealt with have been properly taken care of 10x over. I have no means to rebut such because I've received my knife as stated above. Nonetheless, what upset me further was his accusation of me being too quick to jump on the bandwagon (referencing the video above) in a forum full with teenagers and geriatrics. Again, look at the timeline Jeff; I posted before viewing any video. You should come to the forum and discuss what you mean by this. Besides, the problem is not in your work...it's your continual delay. Off topic, if you have an open mean of communication, why did you not allow my post on YouTube asking you the status of my knife and continually delay it? It's simple and we are all understanding; if it takes longer, just don't quote a timeline that you can't adhere to; or at least keep us up to date by providing photographic updates. We love knives and separation anxiety is understandable, no? Furthermore, if we are a bunch of mindless teenagers and unthinking adults, why would you get upset at my post (regardless of content)? Perhaps you know this is by far the most dedicated cadre of blade owners whose market you should target. I can be wrong on this because he also mentioned that he's been trying to get his knife production started and leaving the knife customization market behind...the forum can read into this however it deems necessary.
As I draw to a close, I will say that it is unfortunate that my relationship with Jeff has punctuated in such a manner. It is no doubt that his work is quality, however, Jeff has a problem in the logistics department. Jeff, I wish you much luck with your production venture. Look into another name for your pp account other than that of your wife and well wishes to your father and father-in-law (no disrespect of any kind here).
I sensed the angst in his voice. I pulled over as I am not about to enter a verbal joust via the phone while driving. I informed him I've not picked the knife from the USPS and will update the post here accordingly. Jeff owned up his promise of delivery, and I can appreciate that. It did not end there; he berated me because I had improperly used his wife's name and mentioned the condition of his fathers. Ok...perhaps this was my mistake and I will apologize for such. However, when Jeff offers up her email address as form of payment, is it within reason to assume that she is also part of the business? If person B receives all financial proceeds while A does the work for such financial proceeds, what can we infer? Lest this is an indentured servitude (although most of us married guys can empathize), I assume that Jeff's wife knows of his business.
Second, relating to his fathers, again if I stepped out of bounds, I openly and publicly apologize to Jeff. Given the context of the unedited post, I stated such illustrating my understanding till Jeff returns home and can send out my knife to me accordingly. The reason for this mentioning is to add weight to point 2 of the post, which is to accumulate the reasons to which Jeff will cycle through in order to delay this and any future delivery.
In the process of venting his anger at me for stating the foregoing in a public forum, he indicated that the occurrences on USN and here are isolated. Those that have been misdealt with have been properly taken care of 10x over. I have no means to rebut such because I've received my knife as stated above. Nonetheless, what upset me further was his accusation of me being too quick to jump on the bandwagon (referencing the video above) in a forum full with teenagers and geriatrics. Again, look at the timeline Jeff; I posted before viewing any video. You should come to the forum and discuss what you mean by this. Besides, the problem is not in your work...it's your continual delay. Off topic, if you have an open mean of communication, why did you not allow my post on YouTube asking you the status of my knife and continually delay it? It's simple and we are all understanding; if it takes longer, just don't quote a timeline that you can't adhere to; or at least keep us up to date by providing photographic updates. We love knives and separation anxiety is understandable, no? Furthermore, if we are a bunch of mindless teenagers and unthinking adults, why would you get upset at my post (regardless of content)? Perhaps you know this is by far the most dedicated cadre of blade owners whose market you should target. I can be wrong on this because he also mentioned that he's been trying to get his knife production started and leaving the knife customization market behind...the forum can read into this however it deems necessary.
As I draw to a close, I will say that it is unfortunate that my relationship with Jeff has punctuated in such a manner. It is no doubt that his work is quality, however, Jeff has a problem in the logistics department. Jeff, I wish you much luck with your production venture. Look into another name for your pp account other than that of your wife and well wishes to your father and father-in-law (no disrespect of any kind here).
Too bad you guys trusted this Karg character. Lying and thieving are the only words appropriate for this POS.
Come October it will be two years he has taken my $135 and he has refused to return it. I sent him a Paypal Invoice which he promptly canceled.
Honestly, you people need to do a search before you send your hard earned property anywhere but to an honest person.
Come October it will be two years he has taken my $135 and he has refused to return it. I sent him a Paypal Invoice which he promptly canceled.
Honestly, you people need to do a search before you send your hard earned property anywhere but to an honest person.
My 2 year mark will happen by late December. When I first dealt with him, he had no feedback outside of USN (a forum I didn't have access to at the time). But now he's got a couple negative feedback threads on public forums.
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Jeff Karg/Karte is also on the hook to me for a project. Didn't know about Blade Forums or his reputation, otherwise I wouldn't have even started down this road. He's been nothing but excuses WHEN I happen to be able to get hold of him, which is hardly. Lots of illness and dead relatives in his family, for which I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but one can only have so much misfortune in one's life, right?
Anyway, stumbled across this: http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...after-bomb-threat/4xGRr8vLRUekZEdvY-3wyg.cspx Anyone from San Antonio experience this?
Anyway, stumbled across this: http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...after-bomb-threat/4xGRr8vLRUekZEdvY-3wyg.cspx Anyone from San Antonio experience this?
You should always do research on people before blindly sending them money or property. Thwt is what feedback is for, use Google, check multiple knife forums, like the EDCForums, JD, and others here and anywhere else you can find information. Or simply ask if the person is trustyworthy.
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As I said, that was then, and had only yet seen the upside of his then-work and wasn't acquainted with any forums. But now that I have…
1) Has anyone heard from him, gotten any recompense?
2) Was anyone aware that he has a new racket? http://www.kargkonstruction.com
Back in 2010, when most people got burned, he had no publicly visible negative feedback - only positive feedback. Unless you were a member of a certain private forum, and even then, it wasn't until late in that year until things came full circle. Well, chalk it up to bad luck.
Of course now though, that's not the case. Feedback is easily available. He did make things right with some people, though he seems to be doing so arbitrarily.
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I've been told that my knife was complete, a few months back. Kinda baffling that I still don't have it. I sent my knife and paid for work in late 2010.
Within the past year, some people got their knives with completed scale, while someone else got a knife back with a bubba regrind (this was on the other forum). The OP in this thread reports that he got his scale after some pressure.
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