kayaking gun

what i am looking for is a durrable gun to kill any thing that wants to kill me and then for survival hunting purposes. I would like some thing than has a folding stock and versitile. i was thinking about a home defence shotgun with a folding stock or pistol grip or a rifle like the sks with a folding stock. For ammo i was thinking of about 20 rounds.
 
i have a wilderness tarpon 12 footer and carry a savage 22/20 ga in a rossi combo pouch and a glock 29 thouse rossi combo packages are good my friend has the youth model 22/ 20 / and 243 three pack good luck
 
what i am looking for is a durrable gun to kill any thing that wants to kill me and then for survival hunting purposes. I would like some thing than has a folding stock and versitile. i was thinking about a home defence shotgun with a folding stock or pistol grip or a rifle like the sks with a folding stock. For ammo i was thinking of about 20 rounds.

You are still being too vague.

What is your location? What type of animals inhibit said location?

Just buy a 12ga pump (I like the Mossberg 500) and load it up with some slugs it likes.

Cheap, quick, and easy.

DO NOT put a pistol grip on there. They are complete garbage and ruin the functionality of a shoulder fired gun.

A folding stock....that's better but I still prefer a fixed stock.
 
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Try this on for size. Thats not really a comp or flash suppressor on the end of the barrel. It's designed for breaching teams (SWAT) to keep the muzzle the right distance off door hinges etc when used as a breaching tool. But it would do one heck of a number on soft tissue also. Those serrations are quite sharp.

They also sell the same model in a fully stocked version.

I'm partial to this model:
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...but it might be a bit much to lug around in your kayak.
 
what i am looking for is a durrable gun to kill any thing that wants to kill me and then for survival hunting purposes. I would like some thing than has a folding stock and versitile. i was thinking about a home defence shotgun with a folding stock or pistol grip or a rifle like the sks with a folding stock. For ammo i was thinking of about 20 rounds.

Just how practical is it going to be to lug around some long gun??? When I am in bear country (and not traveling ultralight), sure I always back up my sidearms with a combat shotgun, but traveling in a kayak is going to severely limit what you can pack along.....

And...you are willing to pack a huge heavy gun, yet only willing to pack 20 rounds of ammo???? I would rather have a smaller, lighter gun, and carry more ammo.
 
Another pitch here for a handgun. I prefer a fanny pack. In camp, you can just wear the pack (which looks real "normal", so you don't attract unwanted attention from rangers or other campers) and you always have an arm on your person (yes, even in California, you can be armed in your campsite...it's legal!!!).

With a long gun on the other hand, you are going to have to leave it semi-stashed, so it isn't going to be as readily available as a handgun.
 
what i am looking for is a durrable gun to kill any thing that wants to kill me and then for survival hunting purposes. I would like some thing than has a folding stock and versitile. i was thinking about a home defence shotgun with a folding stock or pistol grip or a rifle like the sks with a folding stock. For ammo i was thinking of about 20 rounds.

You're really talking about two different guns. I, for one, would never use a folding stock on any gun intended for wilderness use. They're just not comfortable for that. Then again, I wouldn't put a folding stock on any gun, but that's just me.

Nix on the SKS, they're very inaccurate and the ammo is not really powerful enough to be good for defense against large game.

A shotgun could work well in the wilderness, but I would prefer rifle in bear country, unless you've got a slug gun. But to keep things simple, I'd suggest rifle in the wilderness, if you're choosing between the two. A stainless Marlin would be a great gun.
 
Some very good points and recommendations here. If it were me, I'd take a handgun and a shotgun. For the handgun, I'd go with a Glock 32 in .357 Sig. You get 357 mag ballistics in a compact semi-auto pistol with 13+1 rounds. It's one hell of a little package.

Shotgun should be the venerable Remington model 870. The mossberg is cheaper, but go ahead and spend a bit extra and go for the 870. It is better made, with a much smoother action than the Mossy.... Bring some slugs, birdshot, and buckshot. A folding stock would make it more compact, but more uncomfortable to shoot.

The SKS is also a good option. It is accurate, reliable and packs 20 rounds of firepower.
 
Are you thinking you might have to fire from said kayak? In that case, I wouldn't want a large caliber long gun. If you fire from an awkward position perpendicular to the kayak, the recoil alone could potentially capsize you.
 
Again, +1 to the requests for location and duration of your trip, and expected unfriendlies in the area. If you're going where you have the possibility of encountering moose(moose are far more dangerous to humans than brown bears) or brown bears, then I will second the Marlin Guide Gun in Stainless and .45/70. A Marlin .45/70 with the right loads and ranges has taken every land animal on this planet with aplumb, including elephants. With normal loads, it can also put lead on target quite fast.

As far as carrying a handgun, first, what handguns do you own and shoot well now, find out if it's legal to carry where you're going, then determine what dangers you'll face on the trip. If you've never shot a handgun before, you'll need some training to become proficient before you can use it effectively for defense. If you do shoot now, what do you shoot? Revolver or Auto, brand and model? You may already have something that will work, a .357 magnum has successfully hunted all game in North America, and will do the job if you do yours. Does this mean that it's sufficient for moose or large bears? No, but if the likelyhood of running into those animals is low to none, I'd say it's fine, same goes for 10mm in an auto.

If you don't own any handguns, and/or have little experience with them, and you face the possibility of large bears, etc. I'll suggest, IMHO, the perfect, only own 1 handgun, handgun, the .44 magnum, preferably by Smith and Wesson. I'd go with a 3-4" barrel, a good holster or fanny pack holster, and since you're near water, stainless steel. If you've never shot a handgun before, you may be intimidated by the .44 magnum, and many will say it's way too much gun for a person to learn to shoot with. They'll say start with a .22 and work your way up, well that's fine if you plan on starting a gun collection, or are interested in becoming the next Bill Jordan, but a full size, steel .44 magnum loaded with light .44 specials is akin to a lightweight .22in felt recoil, and even a lightweight .44 Mag with lightly loaded .44 specials is easy enough to learn to shoot with. Your selection of ammo with the .44 mag is infinite as well, from beyond spec power, hard cast beast killers, to .44 special shot shells for snakes and other pests. I would go loaded with a cylinder full of the hottest flat nose rounds that you and your gun can handle and shoot accurately. I'd carry a 1 reload of that ammo, plus 1 speedloader of .44 spec SWC's for small game or two legged predators, and 1 load of shotshells for the really small stuff(which in a survival situation may be all you see to hunt and eat). This loadout can be adjusted to your conditions, and threats. In AK, I'd probably skip the shotshells and add an additional load of mags. In Arizona, I might go with a lighter loaded magnum and add a some .44 special hollowpoints for the 2 legged beasts.

Whatever you decide on, shoot it alot before you go, and train to snap shoot as though an attacker(beast or being) is charging you. You won't have time to set up shooting sticks, or draw a long bead on your target. In the words of Col. Cooper, "front sight, press" meaning focus on the front sight after presenting the piece, and press the trigger.
 
I'd go with a revolver in 357 mag unless you are in grizzly country. For me it would probably be a Ruger GP100 with either 3" or 4" barrel. You don't seem to want to say where you're going, even state or province. So, 357 mag it is. I'd choose the same caliber in a rifle, probably the Marlin 1894C. Simple huh. Enjoy. Stay warm.
 
I do alot of kayaking in terrain ranging from swamps, sandy beach lined rivers to the open gulf. The only real predators i run into are human( and the occasional large gator), i usually have a 22 pistol in the cockpit and my PS90 in an open drybag under a deck bungee right in front of me so all i have to do is reach in a pull it out. If i have other people with me then i'll have a 9 or 45 in one of the dry bulkheads.
 
We rented some kayaks on a family vacation a few years back, and I'm having a hard time imagining any long gun being carried/used without a lot of effort and even difficulty.

I have a Winchester Defender (18 1/2" barrel, 12 guage), which, loaded with alternating rounds of 00 Buck and slugs, would be perfect, but again, I'm not seeing it on a kayak.

Not saying it can't be done, but depending on location (still forthcoming, I hope), a big-bore stainless handgun would be easier and would probably work for self-defense and emergency survival needs.
 
Unless I just HAD TO, I wouldn't want a long gun in a kayak. Maybe your kayak is bigger. Mine is 12 feet long. Frankly a 22 would work just fine for most things. You want something short but "long", so how about the AR-7. I think the thing is undependable, but it floats and is stowable.

Shotguns with pistol grips look cool but I don't care for them as far as shooting goes.

Gun in dry bag. But if it gets dunked, it's a problem. The Glocks are some of the easiest handguns to dissamble and clean if necessary and they are extremely reliable. But I still prefer revolvers. I hit what I'm aiming at better.

Choice depends on location (hence threats), duration of trip, portability, and obviously your finances. Expedition? I have no idea what that means to you?
 
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what i am looking for is a durrable gun to kill any thing that wants to kill me and then for survival hunting purposes. I would like some thing than has a folding stock and versitile. i was thinking about a home defence shotgun with a folding stock or pistol grip or a rifle like the sks with a folding stock. For ammo i was thinking of about 20 rounds.

Get this:
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We rented some kayaks on a family vacation a few years back, and I'm having a hard time imagining any long gun being carried/used without a lot of effort and even difficulty.
I think there is a huge risk of losing a long gun in the water!

Exactly. Especially in big game country I would recommend a good rifle for backpacking. In a kayak however, which I have some experience in, I just don't see the practicallity of a long gun. This time of year for a multi-day kayaking trip your going to be in a large sit-in kayak most likely with a spray skirt. So either you are going to pop your spray skirt off and wrestle out a long gun from a small hole with a body in it or strap it to the side in some kind of waterproof bag/tarp or whatever... with a potentially dangerous animal threatening you. Just don't see it happening. I've lost knives, a speargun and many other implements trying to get to them in running water in a kayak.

I honestly think a handgun is your most useful line of defense ON THE WATER. On the land is possibly a different story.

I am refaining from any other comments in this thread until you let us know what kind of area, preferably with at least a state or country reference. Any other comments without this info are pretty useless IMHO.
 
i am not planning to use it on water!

Well, in theory, you're not planning on using it at all, right?

--Something (or someone) wants to kill you, or;
--survival hunting.

Hopefully, neither of those things will happen--what most of these responses are about is the feasability of evening carrying more than a handgun on a kayak, never mind using it.

Since there are handguns capable of hunting all N. American game, and equally capable of self-defense, and since you don't plan to use it for either of those scenarios (God willing), then a capable handgun seems to be the best compromise.
 
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