Kel-Tec PMR30?

[voracious1]

It's on my short list. 19.5 ounces loaded? Is that a typo? Must have.

 

[Jaxx]

Jaxx, don't you have some threads to lock down? LOL

Chuck, Exactly what I was planing on using mine for backpacking the Appalachian trail.

Hey Mutts at least I put off topic!

Since ya put it like that...this thread looks like a good candidate for a lock!

 

[grunt soldier]

I have the KEL TEC PMR 30. had it for almost 2 years now. I got almost 2k plus through mine with out hardly any problems. I did a review on it. let me see if I can find it! the review is from over a year.

well i finally got one. i have been wanting one forever but was not going to do the gunbroker thing and pay up to 5-650 bucks for something that sells for 320-340 out the door. I just happen to call plainfield shooting supply and he had just got one in 3 minutes ago. i said i will be there in a bit hold it plss. enough details about that lol on to the good stuff.


TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Calibers: .22 Magnum (.22WMR)
Weight unloaded: 13.6oz. 385.6g
Loaded Magazine: 6oz. 170.1g
Length: 7.9" 200.7mm
Height: 5.8" 147.3mm
Width: 1.3" 33.0mm
Barrel length: 4.3" 109.2mm
Sight radius: 6.9" 175.3mm
Energy (40gr): 138ft-lbs 187J
Capacity: 30 rounds
Trigger pull: 4-6 lbs 17.8-26.7N


the trigger has a nipple on the back of it that makes it awesome. the trigger is smooth and super crisp. it almost feels like a very nice 2 stage. the gun is accurate and reliable (so far 200 rounds through it and no problems). the sights are very nice 2 orange fiber optic and 1 green. very visible even in very low light. not visible at night but with good ambient light they should be. this gun is so freaking light its crazy. fully loaded with 30 rounds of 40 gr w/m its just over 1 pound vs my glock 27 with is over 2lbs and some change loaded. i really wanted this gun as a camping companion where every pound counts and also for a trap line gun (as i am trying to get into this and don't wanna run around with a bunch of extra bs) i mean 30 rounds of ammo is awesome. and a spare mag of another 30 and you are pretty much set. can't think of much more but any questions throw em out there and i will answer them as i can. Edited to add it has a nice rail and all my lights fit on and off nicely. would make a great home defense gun for the ladies afraid of the bigger calibers (mine for example doesn't like shooting above a 9) and gives them plenty of ammo to do what they need. no offense meant here to the ladies who can shoot the big calibers mine just doesn't enjoy it so i thought it was worth mentioning

one down side to this gun is that the grip is very wide (doesn't bother me but my wife says its a bit much for her though she shot well with it) . not thick but it does hold a 22 mag so it so lay one out and you will see what i mean. its much longer than a 40 or 9 anything like that. i think it feels good in the hand but if you have smaller hands it may be uncomfortable.

enough talking and on to the pics

compared to the size of a glock 27

a little test to see what it would do to a thin skinned target (close as i could get to a person) my daughter would only sacrifice one of her pumpkins so... 5 entry holes of 40 gr moving around 1800 fps (my chrono is broke so i am going off the box it may be a bit less out of the 4 inch barrel

exit hole of 5 shots. pretty impressive for such a small bullet

just for size reference of the holes

here is some pics of the actual bullet channels. they were pretty big for such a small projectile.

and last a pic of the entry holes 2 40 cal fmj (damn my glock and its accuracy they both were in the same hole lol)

here is a pic of the semi exit hole it kinda moved into the others and my daughter said i couldn't shoot anymore of her pumpkins (kids ruining my fun blah)

all shooting done at about 20 feet.





just another update. i will edit this so hopefully it goes into the review section also. i finally got some hornaday 30 gr vmax and some remington 33 gr accutips as well. it does not like either of them. it had multiple hiccups with both rounds. i believe its the tips causing the problems cause i have ran 100 rounds of cci maxi mags the 33 grs through w/ no problems and they don't have the flex tips or whatever you want to call them. it would run about 10 rounds through and then not kick the shell out and try to double feed sort of. either way glad i didn't buy but a box of both though i was really hoping they would work well. i still haven't tried the remington premier hollow points but i figure they will run fine also. though i guess i shouldn't complain that my gun likes the 9 dollar ammo vs the 16-19 dollar ammo


on another note i was shooting some more pumpkins tonight and just have to point out that the accutips do crazy damage compared to the cci hollow points. one shot literally ripped the pumpkin in half. if you have a nice 22 mag bolt rifle these would be my recommended round for sure. just a update folks hope this helps some people out


also one last update. i think i am around 1200 rounds now through it and today when i check the screws the 2 in the trigger guard tightened up 1 turn each. they were no where near loose but they did turn so i figured i would point throw that out there.

 

[AZTimT]

Over 1,000 rounds of CCI Maxi Mag, fiochi and winchester 50 grains through mine in almost two years, I like the heavier bullets best.
No problems and I have the fluted 1 in 16 recall barrel with no keyholing issues.
It's not built like a 5.7 but it also doesn't shoot 5.7, it shoots 22 mag and does it very well.
Every blowup I have seen pictures of has been self contained with no risk to the shooter and several still functioned fine afterward so I am willing to see how long she lasts.
And yes it is light enough to wear it on one side and a B11 on the other and feel perfectly balanced. :thumbup:

 

[1whobuys]

Hey Tim, where did you get that holster?
And here's a range report on the PMR 30 from Guns America

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-tec-pmr-30-range-report/

 

[BePrepared]

I am going to have to find someone who will trade me one of these for something.

I wannit!

I want one with a red dot sight on it.

 

[-TNT-]

Hey Tim, where did you get that holster?

It's from Dave Brown, Chuck

 

[AZTimT]

Hey Tim, where did you get that holster?
And here's a range report on the PMR 30 from Guns America

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/kel-tec-pmr-30-range-report/

It's from Dave Brown, Chuck

Yup, what she said. It's a Buy Brown holster and I really like how it rides when I wear it crossdraw. I carry it that way so I can keep an eye on the magazine. That rear release can get bumped during lots of manual labor or strenuous activity and then you only have a 1 round gun if you draw it with the mag not latched. It doesn't drop the mag or anything, but it could happen, so I like wearing it so I can glance down to check for that extra piece of mind and about once a month or so I find I have bumped it and have to slap the mag. It is not an issue when just walking around or anything, just when you put yourself in a confined space. It's certainly not a bugout gun as a result, but for lightweight edc around the house it is perfect.

Oh and for those that have one of these, I only put 25 rounds in the mags since they come in boxes of 50 anyway and it is easier on the springs so it won't put any dents in the cases, which I believe is a big part of the kabooms. Any time you are loading a magazine and the spring exerts so much resistance that the next round starts to dent the one below it I think it makes sense to not keep going and risk having problems.

I'm looking for a Ruger 22/45 lite for my next pistol to compare lightweight rimfire pistols.

I am going to have to find someone who will trade me one of these for something.

I wannit!

I want one with a red dot sight on it.

I prefer the Primary Arms green dot I have on this one, it is much easier to see in all lighting conditions. You just need the Burris mount from Kel-tec for it.

 

[M67]

Every blowup I have seen pictures of has been self contained with no risk to the shooter and several still functioned fine afterward so I am willing to see how long she lasts.

Not in this case. The shooter received shrapnel to his face and top of his head.

 

[Bravado]

Who the heck is Dave Brown?

 

[roenman]

The early PMR 30's had issues, way back
The ones in the last few years are great...you do have to use the recommended ammo that is clearly stated in the operation manual.
I have one, it functions perfectly.

I also have an FN Five Seven, it, as well is a great gun, a little pricey to purchase and to shoot but what isn't?

Bravado, you will be happy with either one.

 

[Bravado]

The early PMR 30's had issues, way back
The ones in the last few years are great...you do have to use the recommended ammo that is clearly stated in the operation manual.
I have one, it functions perfectly.

I also have an FN Five Seven, it, as well is a great gun, a little pricey to purchase and to shoot but what isn't?

Bravado, you will be happy with either one.

Yeah I seriously need to shoot one.

 

[PeterPHWS]

The early PMR 30's had issues, way back
The ones in the last few years are great...you do have to use the recommended ammo that is clearly stated in the operation manual.
I have one, it functions perfectly.

I also have an FN Five Seven, it, as well is a great gun, a little pricey to purchase and to shoot but what isn't?

Bravado, you will be happy with either one.

Bill, go on the Keltec owners forum and check the current threads for the PMR 30's ... there are still guys who have key holing issues etc ... that's a forum where the guys who are "enthusiasts" gather ... not the guys who might have an axe to grind ...

 

[roenman]

Bill, go on the Keltec owners forum and check the current threads for the PMR 30's ... there are still guys who have key holing issues etc ... that's a forum where the guys who are "enthusiasts" gather ... not the guys who might have an axe to grind ...

Keyhole issues from what I know are results of mismatched barrel twist to bullet weight or shape.
I have had keyhole issues in my Cooper 223 if I use anything heavier than 55 grain bullets, as a result, I do not condemn the rifle, I simply use a light bullet.....isse gone
As I pointed out, I have only used the ammo suggested by Kel Tec in the PMR 30's user manual and have had no issues. I would say I have 1000 to 1200 rounds down the tube

 

[PeterPHWS]

Not in this case. The shooter received shrapnel to his face and top of his head.

I doubt the HOGS motto "No regrets" will apply if you end up causing injury to family or friends who use your pistol where this happens ...

Bin them and buy something with "quality" akin to a Busse :thumbup:

Allowing for the number of incidents just among those we know on here ... it just is'nt worth it IMO ... but hey ... let's not fall out on this ... we're all adults and can make sensible choices :thumbup:

Editted to add ... I don't mean to be harsh here ... or dictatorial ... it is'nt my style ... but I have been present where a pistol blew up at a range here in the UK and killed a guy and maimed another shooter in the next lane ... accidents can happen as bad as this ... and they leave a lasting impression ...

 

[David Brown]

Yeah I seriously need to shoot one.

come to Tucson and you can shoot both.

 

[AZTimT]

Not in this case. The shooter received shrapnel to his face and top of his head.

Anyone know how many rounds were stuffed in the mag and/or what kind of ammo was loaded in that pmr when it happened? Also new barrel or old fluted style? It might help other owner's avoid a repeat.

I still believe from an engineering standpoint the dented cases on an already thin shell while loading the mag may be a significant factor here, especially since they get loaded into the gun with the dent facing up, same direction as the kabooms. I used up all my fiochi stuff which was easier to dent and only have two types left which have yielded no issues but I am very careful how I load them. Apparently in those pics the gun being able to contain them or not is where an issue with the gun lies.

Lot's of things fail, heck I had a front tire blow out on the way to blade that could have been deadly under different circumstances, but I am not going to stop driving on tires. I have seen people die or get injured all sorts of ways and sadly using any machine or tool has it's risks. If I stopped using every thing that has killed or maimed a user I would have very little left to work with. At least with the fairly stout optic & plate mounted on mine the geometry changes so there is a lower chance of shrapnel hitting me in the face. Time will tell and when all is said and done we can only live one day at time until we can't, and that is out of our hands.

Who the heck is Dave Brown?

See below.

come to Tucson and you can shoot both.

Sounds like a good offer! :thumbup:

 

[M67]

Anyone know how many rounds were stuffed in the mag and/or what kind of ammo was loaded in that pmr when it happened? Also new barrel or old fluted style? It might help other owner's avoid a repeat.

43 rounds of CCI solids.

Knowing the owner, he either put a full mag in it then the remaining 20 rounds, or he split the 2 mags into 25 rounds each.

And this is a new production model, made about a month ago. This is a pistol made after Kel Tec suspended production the first time. And it had a new barrel.

 

[BePrepared]

i wonder what KT does with a situation like that

I had a BlackHawk flashlight explode (and i mean pipebomb like) and BH went a LONG way making it right. Bought me a new couch (mine had a 9" deep crater in it), paid my medical bills (burns and lacerations) and gave me their newest, most expensive flashlight (which i promptly lost)

I wonder if KT made it right, or just replaced the gun

 

[M67]

It's still at Kel Tec for.....examination