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Gerber vs Benchmade is apples to mangos. Gerber has never claimed to be in the league of BM. For the $$$$ difference I would expect BM to be better than Gerber. And by the way, do your homework, it's S30V...
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Kershaw and Gerber both suck?
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Gerber vs Benchmade is apples to mangos. Gerber has never claimed to be in the league of BM. For the $$$$ difference I would expect BM to be better than Gerber. And by the way, do your homework, it's S30V...
Resurrecting an old ass thread and then saying Gerber is garbage and touting SOG. 
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Read this all since you say you are new to knives. :grumpy: :barf:
First you buy two of the crappiest knives and then compare them to others. I think I am sick here forgive. Then you say you are looking for a case knife made by a cigaret lighter company. I have a few case knives and they are some fairly well made knives but your steel is so limited unless you buy some of their customs and since you said you bought a 10 dollar Gerber then Kershaw chive I can see where a case would suit you.
No I do not share you opinion one bit and not all Kershaw knives are made overseas which tells me you really did not do your homework. Kershaw makes some very fine knives. Some with D-2 , and of course their new sandavic steel for most all of their newer model knives will be 14C28N replacing the great 13C26, and if I am not mistaken they even make some in damascus.
Do some reasearch and yes if you buy the bottom of the line Kershaw Grant county it will be made overseas. And what is the matter with that. I find that even some of the least expensive knives that Kershaw sells are made with quality control that beats any other manufacturer out there in my opinion. I just bought a little Rad 1700 by Kershaw that is made with 8Cr13MoV for the blade and some kind of black probably injection molded polymide or something in that price range for the scales/handle, dual thumb stud liner lock and put together with torx screws throughout including the blade pivot. Find me a company that will make a knife like this for 14 plus dollars. No blade wobble, extreemly sharp razor edge right out of the box. And that one is made in China. An extreemly well made knife for the buck.
Now Gerber has disapointed me in the past but now they are jumping on the band wagon and offers some of the highest quality fixed blades and folders you can find in the production market. And to say gerber knives stink after reading, I do not know where, well lets put it this way you read in the wrong place.
So again I suppose I do not agree with you one bit. And I also own that grant county and it is very very well made knife for a 12 to 15 dollar knife.
And no I am not a Kershaw only fan, or Gerber. I own some of their knives that are some of the very best made and up to the competion, but I also own knives from so many companies I do not want to spend the time here to list them.
Forgive me but since you stated you are new to knives I thought I should bring you up to par with the two companies you said stink, when they smell like espensive perfume.
Let me put in a correction. I see where you said your grant county came razor sharp out of the box. But in the same tone you say they are made overseas like all knives made overseas are inferior or someting. Try google-ing Seki Cut and read a lot, look at their knives and tell me if overseas knives are inferior. go to japaneseknivesdirect and see if you can find one thing inferior. In my opinion the Japanese are the oldest cutlers in the world and they make some of the best knives in the world bar none. They have an art with heat treating I believe that none can equal. Every one has the notion that German made knives are the best in the world. They have "some" good knives but nothing to equal Seki Cut or Moki and other high end Japanese knives. Do your history lesson on the samarui sword and see if you can find any other cutlery that goes back farther in history than that. Even the Roman sword, or the "Meids"? spelling, and Persians.
Excuse me again, I know you said you are new to knives, but you should do your homework before bashing !!
Daniel
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I just had this conversation with a friend of mine. He showed me his gerber and I showed him my big boy knives. The machining quality, materials, and overall look and feel of Benchmade, and SOG knives, would put any gerber to shame.
Just my $0.02
Who ever said this I am with you on SOG, but to say that Benchmade which is mostly name and partly quality can put Gerber to shame. It depends on which knives you are comparing and dollar range, Benchmade cannot touch some of Gerber high end knives for the money. Apples to Sweet nectarines, Gerber being the nectarines of course.
Just my $0.02
Who ever said this I am with you on SOG, but to say that Benchmade which is mostly name and partly quality can put Gerber to shame. It depends on which knives you are comparing and dollar range, Benchmade cannot touch some of Gerber high end knives for the money. Apples to Sweet nectarines, Gerber being the nectarines of course.
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And just which of these high end Gerber knives are sooo much better than benchmade?Surely you must be speaking of the older USA made company and not the new Fiskars company? I'm starting to think that possibly someone else around here hasn't been keeping up on his homework?
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I got a Gerber Yari II for $49. Full tang...S30V...partial serration. Made in Portland, Oregon (sheath made in China). For the price...I think it's pretty hard to beat. I'm also new to knives...and I have also ready lots and lots of Gerber bashing. It almost seems fashionable to do so. But I like my Yari II. I've had a chance to use it in the back yard while pulling out some trees and roots. Works great! I also have a Paraframe that I got for Christmas. Cheap...no-name steel. But it looks nice. And it opens boxes and packages like nobody's business! 
I also looked at knives by BenchMade, Boker, Buck, Cold Steel, CRKT, Kershaw, Sypderco, SOG.Granted, I looked at those knives before I knew anything about them. But for the money and style...I like Gerber. Sorta want to pick up a Mora and a Ka-Bar though.
I also looked at knives by BenchMade, Boker, Buck, Cold Steel, CRKT, Kershaw, Sypderco, SOG.Granted, I looked at those knives before I knew anything about them. But for the money and style...I like Gerber. Sorta want to pick up a Mora and a Ka-Bar though.
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I still have a gerber gator that I bought 11 years ago that is still a great knife, I bought a multi tool st the same time that was really good quality. Lost the multi tool a year ago and the replacement I bought was complete garbage. It looked very similar but it doesn't perform near as well as the old one and I'm pretty sure I used sharper scissors in preschool then the ones that came with it
I don't really think Gerber sucks as far as their knives and steel at their price point.Just like any manufacturer it depends on their design.I bought one of the Metolius pocket folders a few years ago and really liked it.No the 7Cr17MoV is basically just 440A but it sharpens easily and doesn't dull as quick as 420HC...not exactly the lowest grade of steel for a user knife.On that note back when their knives were made in Taiwan their blister-packed knives just said 'Stainless Steel'...turned out it was AUS-8A.I do recall Kershaw implementing a few overly popularized knives in 3Cr13(420J2) overseas...now that's cheap.That's what MTech uses...literally $8-$10 no quality name brand gas station knife steel.Now that's not to say Kershaw sucks in any way however it's easier for someone to say a knife by United Cutlery holds a lousy edge than someone say about a Kershaw using the same steel.It seems awfully convenient for people to finger point at Gerber for any imperfection of their knives while keeping USA made flaws found in similar or higher priced knives 'swept under the rug' so to speak.
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Threads should just auto lock after 5 years
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No way!!! How else can we point out how silly someone was years ago!!
You do realize that the same steels may have different edge holding capabilities based on things like heat treatment, correct? So United Cutlery's XP37HP might very well have lousy edge holding compared to Kershaw's XP37HP.
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These companies offer a variety of price points and quality. Many times my lowly Kershaw Skyline has displaced my Benchmade and Spyderco made knives. The Skyline has done everything I asked of it for many years. It disappears in the pocket, very comfortable, and it keeps cutting.
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Old Gerbers: 90% good, 10% crap
Newer Gerbers: 90% crap, 10% pretty good
Older Kershaws: 80% good, 20% meh
Newer Kershaws: 80% meh, 20% very good
Just my opinion, OC
Newer Gerbers: 90% crap, 10% pretty good
Older Kershaws: 80% good, 20% meh
Newer Kershaws: 80% meh, 20% very good
Just my opinion, OC
Marcinek,
To touch on an easier example...Gerber's 7Cr17MoV.To me it seems people will safeguard 420HC on it's gummy soft edge versus a higher alloyed stainless.I run 420HC across a stone or diamond rod it's rolled edge goes to the other side.Now I can take it to my Schrade HS-1 and straighten out that rolling but that isn't fully sharpening it and exposing new carbides.Gerber's steel though I just don't have this problem as it's just not a soft medical grade of steel.The Chinese 440A Gerber uses for their common steel offering isn't anywhere as cheap in comparison to Buck's 420HC.A lot of people will avoid answering to the cheap quality of 420HC and rain-dance around it and tell you it's more than what it really is rather than say 'Buck needs a better common stainless offering'.Think if Buck stepped down to 420J2 just how many disciples would still try to pass around the Kool-Aid...and how many drinkers/listeners would buy it just for the sake of supporting USA made.
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Kershaw Tremor is definitely a kick ass budget knife, I have 2 of them and love em... I also had a old Gerber multi tool that was good,...too bad it got stolen.
some Kershaws & Gerbers suck and some don't.
some Kershaws & Gerbers suck and some don't.
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Agreed 100% ! Many years ago Gerber was very respected , but they've really slid badly .Old Gerbers: 90% good, 10% crap
Newer Gerbers: 90% crap, 10% pretty good
Older Kershaws: 80% good, 20% meh
Newer Kershaws: 80% meh, 20% very good
Just my opinion, OC
Kershaw /Kai and especially ZT are usually very good .
If something interests you it's easy to search for reviews these days . Many great values out there on excellent knives . Many good knives are made in China now . Just have to sort out the crap .
Kershaw knives are awesome and so is there service. I just got 3 leeks back that had new blades and pocket clips and all screws replaced, a chive with new clip and sharpened , a Hype So84 for a spring and sharpening(had a bad nick in edge). I was waiting for a call to pay $45 or $50. Well I got them back all Perfectly fixed with no charge. Case, Buck and Kershaw service is Great. A lot of times the China knives are, You Get what you Pay for, sometimes your surprised , Most American companies make both US and overseas to fit there brand in popular price points. So if your someone who loses stuff go lower price point so no big deal. Because you wont be happy losing a custom.
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