Kershaw Chive under attack in Illinois

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Take a look at this story from the Peoria (Ill.) Journal Star. Warning, it'll piss you off. Sounds like a job for AKTI.


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Switchblade on riverboat is wrong bet

January 28, 2004


So this guy from Lincoln takes his Christmas money and his mom up to the Par-A-Dice riverboat casino in East Peoria just like he does this time every year.

As they board, a security guard spots a small folding knife hanging from a belt clip and tucked into the watch pocket of his jeans.

"Can we hold your knife for you while you're gone? Write your name and phone number on a sticky note and claim it when you're done."

The guy jots his name and number on the note and he and mom go off to the slots.

A couple of hours later, "I was doing pretty good. I was up about $300" when he hears, "Ryan Sisk? Ryan Sisk? Please report to the security desk."

Back at security, an officer flashed his badge and said, " 'I'm so-and-so with the Illinois State Police. Can you come with me?' "

The state police guy says, " 'Is this your knife?' "

Sisk says it is, "so right away I knew it had something to do with the knife."

His mom, Ruth Hunt of Middletown, could not accompany him.

The officer told Sisk to have a seat, and then began reading him his rights.

" 'Are you arresting me?' " Sisk asked.

" 'Yes, just let me finish,' " the cop said.

" 'Are you arresting me? On what grounds?' "

" 'This knife is a switchblade and illegal in the state of Illinois,' " the trooper said.

" 'But I bought it at Wal-Mart in Lincoln, Illinois. If I'd known it was illegal, I wouldn't have bought it.' "

Sisk's protests made no difference. The trooper calls East Peoria police. They come, handcuff Sisk and take him to the station for processing.

"I've never been handcuffed before and let me tell you, they hurt," said Sisk, who stands 6-foot-3 and weighs 290. At age 29, Sisk has no more than a two speeding tickets on his record.

For the knife, he's charged with unlawful use of a weapon, a misdemeanor, and given a court date of 9 a.m. March 17 in Tazewell County Circuit Court.

He received a "deferred prosecution" notice from the Tazewell County state's attorney. Basically, Sisk could pay a $250 fine, go to a monthly rehabilitation class for a couple months and they'd take his conviction off his record.

Or, he could contest the charge, hire an attorney and slug it out in court.

"I figure I'd pay $800 for a lawyer and miss a day of work," Sisk said. "So I'll go and plea and get it off my record."

Karen Burk, the media contact for sporting goods at Wal-Mart headquarters in Bentonville, Ark., had heard about Sisk's dilemma because, once back in Lincoln, he returned to Wal-Mart to see if the knife he bought two years ago was still offered.

It was.

Sporting goods manager Darrell Wibben contacted Lincoln police to see if they thought the knife was legal. They did, but because of the nature of the inquiry, Bentonville was notified.

"We are hearing different opinions in the Illinois statute," Burk said. "But we have made the decision to remove the item from the shelf in this store.

"We rely on our suppliers to provide us with material that is safe and legal," she said. "We are working with police. It's unfortunate, because in this situation there are differing opinions. But we always act on the side of caution, so in this store we are removing it from the shelf."

Burk was told the riverboat casino was 45 miles from

Lincoln and several Wal-Marts between Lincoln and Peoria likely were selling the knife. Asked whether the knives would be removed from those shelves as well, Burk fell back on her statement "we rely on our merchandisers to provide us with merchandise that is safe and legal."

The knife in question is a Kershaw, Ken Onion "Chive" that sells for $29.95. Closed, it is about 2 7/8 inches long. The blade is just under 2 inches.

Wal-Mart sells a larger version of the same knife, this one with a 31&frac13-inch blade with deep serrations.

State police in East Peoria referred inquiries to headquarters in Springfield, where Sgt. Rick Hector kicked the affair back to the Tazewell County state's attorney.

"The statute is the statute," Hector said. "And we enforce the statute. We don't make the law; we just enforce them. That's our job. Other than that, we can't discuss ongoing cases."

Tazewell County State's Attorney Stuart Umholtz, who had seen the offending knife, said, "I think it's a switchblade. It has a blade that is automatically opened by pressing a button. You press it, the blade snaps out into a locked position.

"We're left with what the Legislature has left us."

Which is state statute 720ILCS5/24-1, subparagraph A-1. It describes a switchblade as one having "a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle."

On the day Umholtz was contacted, he said he'd been trying to reach Sisk without success. That was easy to remedy because Sisk is a pressman at The (Lincoln) Courier and on duty at the time the newspaper's inquiry was made.

Sisk told Umholtz, "I would have never even bought it if I thought it was illegal. I was just freaked out. I've been freaking out since it happened." He then was heard to say, "thank you" several times.

Umholtz had good news.

"…We are going to drop the charges. I wanted to be the one to tell Mr. Sisk," he said. "But Kershaw, the manufacturer, says they believe the knife is legal in all 50 states. Kershaw is a very reputable brand. Our concern is that a reasonable person can walk into a reputable store and purchase an item made by a reputable manufacture and not believe he has violated the law."

Umholtz said the knife will go to the Illinois Attorney General for review, but the office will probably send it to the state police and its crime lab.

"We can't foreclose on the possibility that (the knife) is legal," Umholtz said. "The cop (who arrested Sisk) was doing his job. There is no bad guy here."

One final note: Sisk said Umholtz could keep the knife. He didn't want it back.

- Jeff Nelson is editor of The Courier, a Copley newspaper in Lincoln.
 
Good thing I don't live in Illinois. Those guys would call the SWAT teams on me for carrying my Gerber Emerson Alliance Auto. Sisk needs to go get himself an Emerson "Wave" model knife. Idiocy has no borders. Just another reason NOT to go to casinos.
 
"unlawful use of a weapon?" I guess nowadays carrying a knife in your pocket constitutes the unlawful use of a weapon :rolleyes:
 
ugh things like this make me worried about carrying my SOG Flash I.... Also makes me worried about carrying a Benchmade AXIS folder.

Very sad.
 
sheesh, that Stuart Umholtz is a bleeding MORON
since when is there a button on the freaking chive??
 
It only takes one cop with a Soccer-mom 'knives are dangerous' mentality to ruin your day.
 
A CHIVE? That little itty bitty thing? Not even a Scallion? You couldn't skin a rat with a Chive! :rolleyes:

~ashes
 
"We can't foreclose on the possibility that (the knife) is legal," Umholtz said. "The cop (who arrested Sisk) was doing his job. There is no bad guy here."



No bad guy? Just an idiot that thinks he's keeping the law.

And like DEA says. Where's the frickin button? What a dumb*ss.

God I can't stand dumb official in the position to abuse power.




sunnee
 
I'd go to court, prove the knife isn't illegal, and sue the hell out of the police department for public humiliation. I'd also sue the Casino. A chive? A pair of scissors are more dangerous. Just about anything is more dangerous. The Chive is a finger nail cleaner, letter opener at best. I hate BS like this.
 
Your were right, I am pissed off. Has our society become this paranoid that citizens can't carry a knife, so what if it is a switchblade. I can deploy my Benchmade 943 just as fast as any switchblade but just because it doesn't have a spring, it is legal. Aren't there better things in Illinois that the cops should be looking for, like drugs and murderers.

The thing that really gets me is that it was a chive, I can see them maybe getting nervous if it was a Protech Godfather with a 4+" blade but a Chive, come on. Besides Kershaws are not switchblades.
 
So the guy holding the knife for "safekeeping" was actually playing with it. Otherwise, how the hell would he know how it opened? I wonder what else he plays with... :D
 
Well, I for one hope he fights the charge. This way he could force the Illinois courts to go on record making a clear decision whether assisted opening knives are illegal or not. Right now, if he were just to pay the fine, this issue would remain a legal gray area and others could have the same thing happen to them.
 
How did they find out in the first place? :grumpy: And a CHIVE???? That lil dude is smaller than my pinky.
 
The people to sue are the owners of the riverboat. The knife should not have been played with and the police should not have been called. They have the deep pockets and have the most to lose from bad publicity.
 
I'm not surprised by this because Illinois has a pretty tough anti-auto law, simple possession is a felony here. The issue is not autos, but the issue convincing a cop who wants to make an arrest and may be leary of any civilian with a "weapon."
 
I don't expect every LEO to understand the swithblade laws or the legal difference between a button and a thumb stud. Incidents like this are bound to happen. At least this time it turned out ok for the guy as the charges were dropped. On some other past cases, Kershaw has had their legal team get involved to assist in the defense. If this happens to you, the best thing to do is call Kershaw. They will help you.
 
i come across strange stuff like this alllll the time. i am a criminal defense attorney here in chicago, and believe me, police will arrest anyone for anything and nothing. as far as the UUW statute, the list is long, the penalties harsh, and the prosecutors have no discretion. in my courtroom, if someone is charged with a UUW, no matter what the item that was possessed was, the attorneys have a mandate from their supervisors NOT to dismiss the charges. for instance, i had a man arrested for having a kitchen knife. another for having a knife with a brass-knuckle type of hand guard, i had one arrested for possessing a flare gun, another for having a BB gun. all charged with UUW. the last two are really rich, as the illinois statutes specifically EXEMPT both flare guns and BB guns from the UUW statute. did that stop the officer from arresting people? no. did they spend time in jail awaiting ahearing? YES. is our community safer? NO. does the fact that 3" blades make a person "armed with a deadly weapon" make us safer? how do i buy my mom or myself that nice Messermeister 8" chef's knife? i have no idea. as you can see, our laws, at least in illinois make little sense. we need to become more politically active and hope we can change the laws. but then look at the proposed legislation that would preempt local ordinances, preventing local prosecution for possession of a firearm if that firearm is used to defend self or others?!!? what kind of sens does that make? i can be charged (possibly with a felony) for possessing and not using a firearm, but if i have it (illegally) and use it, i cannot be charged?? argh!!! and people look at me funny when i pull out my Umfaan or Spyderco Cricket ...
 
I disagree taking the responsability off the Police Officer.If you are given the job to enforce the law,then you best beable to comprehend it.Appears to be common english.I see no where there can be confusion.If a person doesn't know the difference between what a knife handle,blade,button,and a thumbstud is,they have no business with a badge.There is no room in this Country for Law Enforcement that makes their own laws up as they go along.Doing your job properly also requires one to know what laws mean to be an effective Officer. Taking someones freedom away is serious business to take lightly.
 
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