Kershaw upping their game?

fly36gti said:
If you understand the geometry of framelocks there the best. NEVER had an issue with ZT framelocks.
How is it possible for the lock to defeat when I'm gripping the handle? The same can not be said for linerlocks.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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I replied but with this I'd just add that grabbing or holding a frame lock adds little to no added strength to the lock. It may in your mind, but physics will get you on that one.

If you do a search there are beyond just a few reports of ZT frame locks slipping. Yes other companies of course do as well, but ZT sells a lot of knives so it may be there are just more of them out there.

In a battle between liner lock vs frame lock I'd go with like you said geometry any day.
 
Yo Mama said:
With your experience I'd definately go with an axis lock, demko, cbbl, or Buck has reused the strap lock that would be pretty hard to defeat.
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Had Axis and Buck fail also. The only lock that doesn't put your fingers in danger is the frane lock and it's the only lock that hasn't failed is a frame lock especially when I'm gripping it. I know all about the angles, what works and what doesn't. I set my own angles.
 
fly36gti said:
Had Axis and Buck fail also. The only lock that doesn't put your fingers in danger is the frane lock and it's the only lock that hasn't failed is a frame lock especially when I'm gripping it. I know all about the angles, what works and what doesn't. I set my own angles.
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If you also have had an axis lock fail on you, I'm sorry but you're doing something wrong. Setting your own angles may be the safest then.........
 
fly36gti said:
Had Axis and Buck fail also. The only lock that doesn't put your fingers in danger is the frane lock and it's the only lock that hasn't failed is a frame lock especially when I'm gripping it. I know all about the angles, what works and what doesn't. I set my own angles.
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How did the axis lock fail on you?
 
craytab said:
I don't see how that is possible if the axis lock is operating properly. Hopefully you sent the knife in to bm so they could fix it.
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Well it's obvious it was not operating properly if it defeated.
They sent a new knife, 5000, and had the nerve to attempted to charge me $75 for new handles, No I didn't.

Yo Mama said:
The guy has been cut by everything but a frame lock, I'm not sure even Benchmade can help
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Must be a reason for the redesign?
No they cant help. 928 has so much lock rock it had to go.
Just because a lock is easy to manipulate does not make it the best or even good.
And one more point, dont assume I'm 20 and I've only had 5 pocket knives, I may have more life experience than you suspect Or you than me.
Never had a plunger lock OR frame lock defeat.
Not ment to offend anyone here. So dont twist it again. I'm done here.
 
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fly36gti said:
Well it's obvious it was not operating properly if it defeated.
They sent a new knife, 5000, and had the nerve to attempted to charge me $75 for new handles, No I didn't.


Must be a reason for the redesign?
No they cant help. 928 has so much lock rock it had to go.
Just because a lock is easy to manipulate does not make it the best or even good.
And one more point, dont assume I'm 20 and I've only had 5 pocket knives, I may have more life experience than you suspect Or you than me.
Never had a plunger lock OR frame lock defeat.
Not ment to offend anyone here. So dont twist it again. I'm done here.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say here and I don't know what a plunger lock is.
 
fly36gti said:
Well it's obvious it was not operating properly if it defeated.
They sent a new knife, 5000, and had the nerve to attempted to charge me $75 for new handles, No I didn't.


Must be a reason for the redesign?
No they cant help. 928 has so much lock rock it had to go.
Just because a lock is easy to manipulate does not make it the best or even good.
And one more point, dont assume I'm 20 and I've only had 5 pocket knives, I may have more life experience than you suspect Or you than me.
Never had a plunger lock OR frame lock defeat.
Not ment to offend anyone here. So dont twist it again. I'm done here.
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The 5000 was not redesigned because of safety, many companies update designs to keep with demand and modernization (why do you thing there is for example a spyderco delica 4 or para3?). The 5000 Presidio was never unsafe. Did you break the handles to? That's the only reason I could see them asking for 75 bucks for new handles.

The ease of a lock is not important, the axis lock however has proven to be an unbelievably strong lock. Unless the omega springs broke there are no other points of failure.

The 928 with lock rock should be no problem if you just grab it real hard I thought you said right? That's why it was the best lock you said.
 
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Yo Mama said:
To me the Kershaws are just a Kershaw with an allowed and sanctioned wave. The lines, manufacturing process, materials, and function of the knife are worlds apart from the real Emersons. The d2 version doesn't add anything for me that was missing to make me jump on getting one.

That said there is an obvious difference here in you get what you pay for. It's hard to pony up for what Emerson prices are at, but when you get one in hand it's just all there.
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This seems like a slightly odd complaint to me, as the designs are all by Emerson and, honestly, if Kershaw has upgraded to D2 blades I would argue the materials are largely equal if not superior. Having owned a number of Emersons, when I got one in hand, had they existed at that time, I would have longed for the Kershaw series instead.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
This seems like a slightly odd complaint to me, as the designs are all by Emerson and, honestly, if Kershaw has upgraded to D2 blades I would argue the materials are largely equal if not superior. Having owned a number of Emersons, when I got one in hand, had they existed at that time, I would have longed for the Kershaw series instead.
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I respect your experience, mine was just opposite. I do like other Kershaw blades, but the Emerson ones just never spoke to me. To many other blades on the list instead!
 
Yo Mama said:
The 5000 was not redesigned because of safety, many companies update designs to keep with demand and modernization (why do you thing there is for example a spyderco delica 4 or para3?). The 5000 Presidio was never unsafe. Did you break the handles to? That's the only reason I could see them asking for 75 bucks for new handles.

The ease of a lock is not important, the axis lock however has proven to be an unbelievably strong lock. Unless the omega springs broke there are no other points of failure.

The 928 with lock rock should be no problem if you just grab it real hard I thought you said right? That's why it was the best lock you said.
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You got it all twisted.

Your precious axis lock was redesigned, three times that i know of...

Both handles were unbroken.

Both omega springs undamaged.

You obviously truly do not understand how the frame lock works, they had a good idea putting that eccentric fastener in the end of the frame lock but it moved the contact point too close to the pivot causing lock rock, thats a design flaw and trying to do a strider g10 back/side was another mistake.

"The 928 with lock rock should be no problem if you just grab it real hard I thought you said right?"
I do not belive that is what i said and why would i use a flawed knife design?

Thats why they went back to the eccentric blade stop which is a good idea.

Since you have all the answers, maybe you can tell me why i agreed to $80 charge on my card but when i called the card it was $178 and change? Without my authorization! When I called your beloved Benchmade and questioned them about the unauthorised use of my credit card they dropped the entire amount! Thats shady.

Your a fan boy, wasn't sure at first.
We're going to have to agree to disagree with no hard feelings on my end.
 
fly36gti said:
You got it all twisted.

Your precious axis lock was redesigned, three times that i know of...

Both handles were unbroken.

Both omega springs undamaged.
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So how did the axis lock fail?

fly36gti said:
You obviously truly do not understand how the frame lock works, they had a good idea putting that eccentric fastener in the end of the frame lock but it moved the contact point too close to the pivot causing lock rock, thats a design flaw and trying to do a strider g10 back/side was another mistake.

"The 928 with lock rock should be no problem if you just grab it real hard I thought you said right?"
I do not belive that is what i said and why would i use a flawed knife design?

Thats why they went back to the eccentric blade stop which is a good idea.

Since you have all the answers, maybe you can tell me why i agreed to $80 charge on my card but when i called the card it was $178 and change? Without my authorization! When I called your beloved Benchmade and questioned them about the unauthorised use of my credit card they dropped the entire amount! Thats shady.

Your a fan boy, wasn't sure at first.
We're going to have to agree to disagree with no hard feelings on my end.
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You still aren't making sense. No need to answer my question as it is clear you have a gripe with benchmade.

New readers should completely disregard this derailment. Back to the topic of the thread!
 
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You spelled lock wrong.

Just because you don't know what I'm talkin about doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
 
fly36gti said:
You spelled lock wrong.

Just because you don't know what I'm talkin about doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Where? :D

I was trying to understand what happened when you said an axis lock failed on you. All I got back was unreadable gibberish. If you are going to make such a claim, you'll need to back it up with more information to remain credible.
 
fly36gti said:
You got it all twisted.

Your precious axis lock was redesigned, three times that i know of...

Both handles were unbroken.

Both omega springs undamaged.

You obviously truly do not understand how the frame lock works, they had a good idea putting that eccentric fastener in the end of the frame lock but it moved the contact point too close to the pivot causing lock rock, thats a design flaw and trying to do a strider g10 back/side was another mistake.

"The 928 with lock rock should be no problem if you just grab it real hard I thought you said right?"
I do not belive that is what i said and why would i use a flawed knife design?

Thats why they went back to the eccentric blade stop which is a good idea.

Since you have all the answers, maybe you can tell me why i agreed to $80 charge on my card but when i called the card it was $178 and change? Without my authorization! When I called your beloved Benchmade and questioned them about the unauthorised use of my credit card they dropped the entire amount! Thats shady.

Your a fan boy, wasn't sure at first.
We're going to have to agree to disagree with no hard feelings on my end.
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I understand you've had your problems with BM , but this thread really isn't the time or place for airing them . Not relevant to the thread topic , Kershaw .
 
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