Kevin Cashen

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This is directed to Kevin. For about the last year and a half, I have been trying to figure out if I have the knack of the black arts of knife making. I like to think that I am on the right path, but will tell for sure when the finished project is actually put to use. I have been reading about the heat treating process when my fingers need a rest from grinding and filing. Needless to say, this can be a pretty dry subject. Thanks Kevin for your brain exorcising easy to want to read informative posts. Usally takes me a couple of hours to understand what probably took minutes to write, I DO feel physically tired when done, but the knowkedge gained has been priceless. Just wanted to say thanks in a way that everyone would know how I appreciate digesting the information that you have posted.

Matt
 
add 1 more. I can't believe how much I have learned about this subject from his posts and suggested reading. The Fundamentals of Metallurgy was tops. It is a college type text, with questions and exercises at the end of each section.
 
Move over a little and make room for me on this wagon.:thumbup:


Thanks Kevin, Fred
 
Another :thumbup: for Mr. Cashen!

I know that he isn't doing this for the :thumbup:'s, but they are very well deserved.

Michdad,
Thanks for starting this thread!

Mr. Cashen,
Thank you for your generosity and sharing of your hard earned knowledge.
 
kumbaya and stuff

i got to meet kevin at larrys hammerin last year and he is an astounding wealth of knowledge



+1:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
Kevin, you suck.

I was well on my way to blissful ignorance until attending your lecture at Ashokan. Then after sharing Chinese food with you in a Japanese restaurant and having you steal all my Partagas I saw your real nature...


...you're just a good guy.:D


I'll add my thanks in this thread also, Kevin - although I think I know you well enough to know that you'll never respond to this thread!
 
It sounds like it's time for a Kevin Cashen bobblehead doll. :)
 
we could do a voodoo doll and put a typewriter in front of it

:D

-Page (running and ducking)
 
I'll add my thanks in this thread also, Kevin - although I think I know you well enough to know that you'll never respond to this thread!

He won't reply because he is too busy in the laboratory of his mountaintop castle fortress in the icy cold hinterlands of Michigan, plotting, planning, diligently working on scientifically devious, metallurgically sound and artistically phantasmagorical(how's that for 5$ words :D ) blades.
 
SPEACH! SPEACH! SPEACH!

C'mon folks, these genius types never let you put them on the spot unless everyone gangs up on them, and PUTS them on the spot!

SPEACH! SPEACH! SPEACH!


Seriously, I can't say I've learned more from any other single bladesmith as I have from Kevin. While there may be a couple of close seconds, there's no doubt about who's on the top of the list. Between his articles, posts on various forums, and lectures at Ashokan, This man keeps spouting off cool and interesting facts and information at a rate that is roughly double my ability to absorb them!
 
Kevin, you suck.

I was well on my way to blissful ignorance until attending your lecture at Ashokan. Then after sharing Chinese food with you in a Japanese restaurant and having you steal all my Partagas I saw your real nature...


...you're just a good guy.:D


I'll add my thanks in this thread also, Kevin - although I think I know you well enough to know that you'll never respond to this thread!

Well I guess I need to keep you guessing then:)

Wow, I don't know what to say. I know I step on toes quite a bit in challenging the status quo, but the sad state of the status quo makes that unavoidable if you want to get good information:). Often in order to build on a good foundation it is necessary to knock down the decrepit wreck of a structure standing in your way:( Thus I half expected another chastising when I clicked on this thread.

Call it false modesty if you will, but I never know how to comfortably handle conversations such as this. Foremost in my mind is never to allow myself to become a little tin god. I hate, detest and despise little tin gods who owe their existence to the adoration of unquestioning followers; they almost always turn out to be more selfishly destructive to their field than helpful. It is not about me, or any other single individual, it is about the craft. Gentlemen we practice one of the most ancient and noble crafts in the history of mankind. What took us from stone tools to copper swords, and then successfully from the bronze age to iron? It was skilled craftsmen making a better blade! To whom do we owe the existence of steel if not the bladesmith striving to keep up with the world around him? Today our civilization has a steel skeleton, it was not kings, priests or scribes that gave us that, it was the sweat of the bladesmith giving to his culture instead of preying on it. It is unavoidable that the bladesmith would become an anachronism, but it is unacceptable that such a figure in history would become a sideshow joke. Yet, popular culture and the desire to do or say anything to open the wallet of any mall ninja walking by a magazine rack has reduced us to just that.

I like Matt’s approach in recognizing that I am just a steel beating slob like anybody else here, just an average %@#$head with no special secrets, knowledge or talents that anybody else doesn’t have available as long as they decide to critically think for themselves instead of assuming that some clowns recipe must be correct since he has a following or gets crap printed. Every time I type a word here I have a chance to open another set of eyes to this, human nature being what it is may also cause threads like this to spawn resentment that becomes a barrier to that that end (I refer back to the little tin god syndrome of the previous paragraph)

There is no shortage of information on bladesmithing, there is tons of if in print, on dvd and scattered across the net, but how much of it actually means anything? Tons of fluffy feel good information but if there are any facts included they are well hidden with a thick coating of whitewash. I feel folks hungering for information on how to make knives have been spoon fed the most atrocious prepackaged junk food for so long that any morsel of actual nutrition would have to hit the spot! Think about it, why do we eat junk food? Because it immediately tastes good at the time, and we aren’t really thinking about long term health when the deep fried, sugary glop excites our taste buds in just the way the manufacturers designed it in order to get our money!

I am just hoping to provide enough non-speculative, fact based information and objective observation to balance bladesmithings diet with enough real nutrition that it can prosper in the new century with a little more credibility than the mass marketing gave it at the end of the last.

Always remember this- while I am very humbled and grateful for the kind words, I would much rather talk about steel than about me! Steel is a whole lot more interesting;)
 
Well I guess I need to keep you guessing then:)

Wow, I don't know what to say. I know I step on toes quite a bit in challenging the status quo, but the sad state of the status quo makes that unavoidable if you want to get good information:). Often in order to build on a good foundation it is necessary to knock down the decrepit wreck of a structure standing in your way:( Thus I half expected another chastising when I clicked on this thread.


I am just hoping to provide enough non-speculative, fact based information and objective observation to balance bladesmithings diet with enough real nutrition that it can prosper in the new century with a little more credibility than the mass marketing gave it at the end of the last.

Always remember this- while I am very humbled and grateful for the kind words, I would much rather talk about steel than about me! Steel is a whole lot more interesting;)

OK
Back to steel,
Joe Szilaski was the presenter at the blacksmith's Askokan this weekend, and he apparently brings his blades up to the curie point and plunges them in quenching oil for 15 seconds between every forging heat to refine the grain. He also forges at 200 degrees below factory recommended forging heat for everything. I can understand the low temperature forging to keep scaling and decarb down although personally I think I'll stick to the manufacturers recommendations for forging temp, but is there benefits from quenching between each forging cycle? or can you get as much benefit from thermal cycling at the end of your forging?
also I always thought that that many quenchings wasn't good for most steels,
am I completely off base here?

-Page
 
We can add "Modest" to his long list of admirable traits.

Kevin, We really do need that book BYW now get back to work, enough of this mushy stuff.:D
 
Great thread and 'well deserved'. Thank You for fighting the endless battle against the hype and propaganda that some put out there. Every level of maker can learn something from a fact filled myth bashing Kevin Cashen rant!!:D :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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