Khukri Fighting

Moorditch said:
My point? I guess I'm saying that a fighting knife can remain that without ever being tested in the field and that is fine. I love mucking around with my Wing Chun butterfly knives, but would not use them to defend myself.
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Why not? :confused:
 
Why indeed... I guess I'm talking from the same 'street' perspective as I was when I said I would not be able to carry a 20" Kobra in public without getting hauled off by the police and booked. Two big honking butterfly knives swinging from my belt as I saunter down the road or concealed upon my person are illegal in my country not to mention a bit of overkill.

At home I would consider using them I suppose if I had to deal with a home invasion. Then, I would still prefer a cricket bat, (our version of a baseball bat). It's a sporting item and I have used one before in that application with no repercussions as far as the law is concerned.

But this is of course just my two bits... or two bob as we say.

Cheers

Moorditch
 
Cricket bat owns baseball bat any day but they are unwieldy like a broadsword. Also i think that a shorter khukuri like a twelve inch khukuri is the best size for a combat knife, as it were. A shorter khukuri is much swifter and pretty unexpected, it also has the added bonus of being able to "psych" your opponent. Pull something new and unknown on an opponent, they are more likely to leg it and if they are really stupid you can always take them down with the butt of the khukuri, using the blade as a threat rather than an actuality.
 
Problem with a 12" kukri is that it's only about 8" of blade (I know, I know, only in this forum would that be considered small), but if I were to fight with a kukri or kukri-like object, I'd want to have the advantage of length, hence the popularity of the sirupate and kobra lines.

Or just buy an HI sword. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of a tarwar, or better yet, a falcata.
 
There is a saying in regards to combat knives "if you need more than eight inches to achieve your purpose you should be carrying a gun." :-P
 
krakerinc said:
From what I have seen in my limited online research, it seems people recommend a thinner blade when getting a Khukri for combat purposes. I assume this is for stabbing/thrusting the blade? It seems to me, though, it would make more sense to get one that has a thicker blade, but not not too thick, because it would be easier and cause more damage to chop an opponent with a Khukri instead of stabbing. Maybe I am missing something, though.
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A fighting knife should thrust like a dagger,slice like a razor and chop like a hachet.

Thinner blades have less resistance while slicing or thrusting.
The nessessary weight to chop should come from the width of the blade.

Too heavy, the knife becomes slow.
To light it's too weak.
You want a fast yet balanced blade.
Fast yet strong enough to do the job required.
Pure fighters will be thinner and lighter with a good point.
Knifes required to do heavy duty utility work will be heavier.
Everything is a compromise.
What you'd pick for a dual would be different than what you'd want in a war.
 
Cricket bat owns baseball bat any day but they are unwieldy like a broadsword.
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True they are a little cumbersome, but if you have used one in play standing in the hot sun all afternoon hitting heavy hard red balls travelling at a decent speed, you can develop some swinging style hehehe.

Not too sure as to the owning factor for the CB over the BB, would not want to cop a hit from either... :o

I do recall something I heard said about using knives in a fight, that being that fights can often be won sheerly through loss of blood, literally 'the death of a thousand cuts'. My sad experience of knife deaths is that the victim is often cut or stabbed in the leg or arm, a body part that would probably be not fatal provided they got help or knew how to stop the flow, death from simple blood loss.

Rather than trade stab for stab going for the mortal wound straight away, I reckon some fast slashes would be easily as effective in releasing a lot of vein claret as a stab. A glancing slash is a lot harder to control and judge (from the point of view of neutralising the attack) than a thrusting stab attack eg the old 'sewing machine' style of attack.

That said, a knife fighting style that incorporates both a stab and slash attack requires a point and a blade, a khukuri has both. From there it is a question of technique and personal preference I guess. I grew up doing fencing as a youth sport (ah those sunny days gone by LOLS) and because of the simplicity of a fast bridging thrust attack I learnt with the foil and epee I find that a thrusting attack style works best for me (at least that is what it seems like when I play at knife fighting with some escrima protective gear and some pool noodles over wooden dowel 'knives' with my buddies :D ).

I guess if you like Khukuri's and they work naturally for you then go with it, If you like a stabbing style of knife and it feels right then same again.

'Happy Days' :)

Moorditch
 
Having some experience with knife fight (not been in one thankfully) the best way to actually stop an opponent if you intend to do some serious damage is let them strike at you, deflect the strike, cut the motor function in the arm and then stab into the throat or the kidneys. I have done a lot of training in incapacitating an opponent with one or two moves. Granted it is self defense but it is self defense with bite.

On the cricket bat thing, yep if you are a cricketer then you can absolutely defend yourself, i know a guy who defended himself from a rampaging dog with a straight drive, he belted the dog over the fence for six. :D
 
bloodwraith said:
There is a saying in regards to combat knives "if you need more than eight inches to achieve your purpose you should be carrying a gun." :-P
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That's what she said.

Seriously, though, if you're talking about blade-to-blade fighting (what else would you be talking about, blade vs gun means you get shot, the other guy gets a new blade), reach wins. Let's say you were set to duel someone for whatever reason. An 8" blade and a 29" tarwar are put on the table. You get to choose which one to fight with. I'd pick the sword.


As for knife fighting, I think the first thing I'd do is feint a body attack and lop off (if we're still talking kukris) or gravely injur the guy's weapon hand. Hopefully he'd disengage rather than make me kill him.
 
Cpl: I think i am more confident with the 8" blade to tell you the truth, although i would probably pick the sword as well. I'd hope that i could force my opponent to disengage as well, or leave him unconscious on the ground and walk away.
 
bloodwraith said:
Having some experience with knife fight (not been in one thankfully) the best way to actually stop an opponent if you intend to do some serious damage is let them strike at you, deflect the strike, cut the motor function in the arm and then stab into the throat or the kidneys. I have done a lot of training in incapacitating an opponent with one or two moves. Granted it is self defense but it is self defense with bite.

On the cricket bat thing, yep if you are a cricketer then you can absolutely defend yourself, i know a guy who defended himself from a rampaging dog with a straight drive, he belted the dog over the fence for six. :D
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Sadley, many years ago, been there ,seen it done it, & paid the price in real life scenarios.

Saw & witnessed more real knife attacks than most people have ever seen on film.

Fundementaly I would say your approch looks like the most efficent, {outside of ambush , suckering etc.} & is also an approach described to me by a Gurkha who fought against the Naga for many years in Assam. essentialy, cut & destroy whater body part they offer first, then finish them off.

Heard similar from many ww2 marine & chindit veterans as well as people who live like that more recently in anti social scenarios.

Spiral
 
Yep but when the excrement hits the spinny thing unless you are really cool under fire those kind of thoughts go out the window, i guess that is why i train so much, so that when it comes to it i don't have to think about acting, my body has completed what i need to do before my mind catches up, that is the difference between life and death.
 
I once found a weapon in one of my many trips to the Tokyo flea market that was unlike any I had ever seen before.
We all know what the kanabo looks like. (iron-clad wooden war club)

Well this was an iron-clad bokken. Believe it or not, I found a bokken (wooden katana) that had strips of iron rivetted vertically down the blade. (one covered the edge and spine, the other covered the sides)
It was ridiculous-looking to me, at first, but then I closed my eyes and let a swordsman come at me.

My weapon was lighter, but not too much lighter. I could block and deflect his sword because mine had iron strips, but his sword didn't slide down mine because his got caught on the many rivet heads. When I struck his head, the edge crushed bone instead of getting stuck which would leave me in a bad place on a battlefield.

Maybe the cricket bat is a good first choice and the khukuri #2.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
That's what she said.

..., blade vs gun means you get shot, the other guy gets a new blade),...
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true if the gunman has unholstered & lined up on target,

they did some tests a couple years back with a policeman vs, a knifeman, with the cop's gun holstered if the knifeman was within 5-7 yds there was no way he could get his gun out & on line before he was slashed, usually the knifeman slashed his almost extended gun hand on the way by then slashed him in the back just to make the point. and that was with the cop KNOWING what was coming. dummy knife & snapcaps in the gun of course.

5-7 yds is also the average gunfight engagement distance......
 
Except that's from a retention holster going for a traditional firing stance (the "extended arm" part gives that away). Draw from a secure non-retention holster (i.e. no flap or strap) and fire from retention position. Much faster.

I also doubt the "target" police officer was NOT moving, which you should do. Get off the X.
 
Actually there were studies done that said within 20 yards a police officer unsnapped will still only get 2 shots off, if not unsnapped they will at best get 1 shot off. Most of the time the guy with the knife is going to be able to get in, and even though he may take a bullet he will still be in sufficient shape to stick said knife into the officers heart. If the police officer was a good and quick shot he might be able to get a head shot but I'm not sure they are allowed to do that as it is extreme force.
 
Again, the police officer is stationary in those drills.
The speed at which a knife attacker can get in and strike is precisely the reason I was taught to MOVE while shooting him, and keep shooting him until he's down.

Tthe other fact that rarely gets brought up in knife fight attacks is that unless you are trained to fight with a knife, you're better off MOVING and going for your gun than trying to go hand to hand with a sewing machine. You may still catch a piece, but untrained people do even worse trying to go the faster route of hand to hand instead of their gun.
That being said, even trained people are told to EXPECT to get cut in a knife fight.
 
That's why i don't get into knife fights and hense don't get cut, control the knife, take down the opponent, that has always been my strategy. So Cpl, you are a police officer then are you? You should always move, much harder both physically and psychologically to hit a moving target unless you are very skilled.
 
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