Khukuri, Hawk, or 12" Machete

First of all, let's understand that this is an opinion question, and that's what I'm giving, my opinion, not absolute fact, and others may well disagree.

Exactly. I am questioning terminology, interpretation. I use the terms semi interchangeably.

I don't own a "good' hatchet and wonder if I am missing some thing. The same Is true about my questioning about the golok. (debating the BRK&T pre order)

I also am think of the more traditional hawks (H&B with out the spike) and not the Viet Nam hawk class of weapons.

Seriously not arguing, just asking. Hell I might learn some thing.

The bit profile and handle profile of a 'hawk is geared more toward it being a good weapon, not quite so much a tool. Note i didn't say it can't be used as a tool.

A hatchet's bit profile and usually handle profile make it more suitable as a tool than a weapon.

The hawk is slimmer at the blade and lighter/quicker for use as a weapon?

The wider shape of the Hatchet handle is more comfortable than the rounder hawk handle?

Dose a hatchet cut noticeably different than a Hawk?

A 3 inch blade is a 3 inch blade even if it has a stick sticking out of the side.
"An X inch knife is an X inch knife, isn't it?"

I spoke to generally. I should of said "it can be used as a 3 inch blade if it was all you had." A Hawk/hatchet head will never replace a real knife when I have one (OK, 4 or 5)to chose from.

I think what I am seeing is the same for the Hatchet/Golok and the Hawk/machete. The thicker more wedge shape to the blade verse the narrow, flatter shape?
 
Dose a hatchet cut noticeably different than a Hawk?

I can't tell much difference in actual cutting ability given roughly equal lengths/weights. They're still short chopping tools. It seems hawks tend to have thinner bits than some hatchets, which can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on the materials to be cut. I find hawk handles easier to replace, but find curved hatchet handles more comfortable to use.

All that said, I generally prefer a cheap short machete. Mostly because I avoid chopping if at all possible (places I go, I have this option), appreciate the low weight/bulk, and have more use for a knife-shaped knife than a khukri-shaped knife or hatchet/hawk. Goloks look interesting. I'll have to get one someday.
 
The hawk is slimmer at the blade and lighter/quicker for use as a weapon?

The wider shape of the Hatchet handle is more comfortable than the rounder hawk handle?
It's both the blade profile and the handle. The thinner 'hawk bit is an advantage sometimes, but not others. For one thing it won't split wood as well as a thicker profile hatchet. The other thing is the handle. The straight handle on a 'hawk makes for easier hooking and ripping maneuvers, but the curved handle most hatchets have are tailored almost exclusively to the chop.
In short handle geometry makes a hatchet a better chopper and a poorer weapon, and the opposite is true for a 'hawk.

Dose a hatchet cut noticeably different than a Hawk?

IMO, yes. Mostly it'll be noticed that the hatchet is better at felling and splitting. They are both about equal in limbing and shaping.


I spoke to generally. I should of said "it can be used as a 3 inch blade if it was all you had." A Hawk/hatchet head will never replace a real knife when I have one (OK, 4 or 5)to chose from.
OK, I thought you were talking that since the blade length on the bit was the same on a hatchet and 'hawk, that they should work the same.
Both can be choked up on and used as a knife. It works better than you might think. Here i would give the advantage to the 'hawk with its thinner blade.

Let me make an analogy:
There's a reason the Indians liked tomahawks. If you're living in a way that the general rule is to use nothing larger in diameter than your wrist to build shelter, and have to doa lot of skinning and cleaning of game, then the 'hawk is the better way to go. In these applications, you won't notice the hatchet's advantage as a wood tool, and will notice its disadvantages as a weapon and impromptu knife.

If you are going to do more "white man" camping, where you may be splitting wood or using larger pieces for shelter, the hatchet has the advantage.

If you're building a cabin a full sized axe and buck saw (or chainsaw if allowed) will be far better than any one-hand tool.
 
Some time ago I put together a Golok/Lil Chute Bark River combo.

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This gives me a fairly light weight combo I can just stick into my belt "pirate style." It gives me a big chopper for cutting vines, small saplings, and clearing shooting lanes. I hunt and fish quite a bit in big river bottoms in NC. Most of these areas are a thick as the back side of Viet Nam. I have often had to use my Golok to cut a path up the riverbank just to get back into the woods to hunt or camp. The Lil Chute knife is a great utility blade suitable for skinning and general camp duties. Between the two there is no bush craft or camp core that I can not do except chopping heavy firewood or splitting logs.
Generally I keep a mid size axe in my boat or truck for those duties.

If I am out for an extended period of time I usually ditch the Golok combo and pick up my shoulder pack with a Nessmuck trio.

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Bark River is getting ready to make another run of their excellent Goloks. This time they will have bolted rather than pinned handles. Find a dealer and get on the preorder list.

You won't be sorry!!

:thumbup:

Who's doing pre-orders? And what's the deal with the handles?:confused:
 
My preference lies with my HI BAS. Honestly, I own a Battle rat, Heavy Steel Heart, and a Tromantina Bolo that I use constantly. My HI feels natural in my hand and outcuts any of the either blades. Although holds an edge worse than the BR and the HSH. Like the versitility over a small axe in my neck of the woods. Now if I lived up north, it may be another story.
 
Who's doing pre-orders? And what's the deal with the handles?

The new handles are bolted not pined. They will be available with some of the natural mat. with a bolster.

DLT trading Co. is taking pre orders.
 
Im going to show my lack of knowledge here. So here it goes,, Everyone says that the Hawk was basicly first made by the American Indians. How old are the first examples??? From what i read about it. The Hawk is more of a middle ages design with the indians adopting the Hawk. Handle is easy to make with little work and the head dont use alot of metal... I seen some pics of Viking war axes that do look alot like the Hawks. Yes they were used for war. Now im not trying to hijack the thread or piss anyone off. Just to get more info about the design of the Hawk. Just had to put a disclamer on here.

Sasha
 
Good point Sasha. I've always associated the small 'classsic' tomahawk with the NA Indians. I reckon, though, that the design might naturally suggest itself to anyone who had a need to chop something if they pondered on the problem long enough.

There seems to be a similarity in all sorts of old things from different places...knives, firelighting methods, animal traps, pottery etc etc.
 
Bikermikearchery.... your post intrigued me. You wrote:

"I've used the bolo in the pic around the world and its what I'm most comfortable with."

Sounds like you might have had some adventures. Would you like to sum it up in one short post so we can get the idea of where you've been and what you did there?

I guess if you travelled by 'plane, you would have had the bolo in your suitcase which should be fine...but did you get hassled at all for having it with you?

Thanks in advance....Coote.
 
From what I have read some of the first run of Bark River Goloks had to be sent back on the lifetime warranty plan due to loose handle scales. I have bash the heck out of mine and for the life of me I can not figure what the owners of those Goloks were doing with them to loosen a handle.

At any rate the new run will be glued and bolted. You can get nay handle you want. The synthetic materials and woods available in long pieces will be one piece slabs. The fancy woods will have a bolted bolster.

Any dealer that sells Bark River would probably take a pre-order.

Get on the wagon soon as Mike only bought 2800 lbs of the 5160 steel for the new run. They will go FAST.
 
Im going to show my lack of knowledge here. So here it goes,, Everyone says that the Hawk was basicly first made by the American Indians. How old are the first examples??? From what i read about it. The Hawk is more of a middle ages design with the indians adopting the Hawk. Handle is easy to make with little work and the head dont use alot of metal... I seen some pics of Viking war axes that do look alot like the Hawks. Yes they were used for war. Now im not trying to hijack the thread or piss anyone off. Just to get more info about the design of the Hawk. Just had to put a disclamer on here.

Sasha

The WORD 'tomahawk' comes from a native term, 'otomahak', first applied to various war clubs and stone headed axes. The first iron/steel headed 'tomahawks' were hatchets/short axes obtained in trade. Since these new tools/weapons filled the same niche as their native ones, the term remained. '0tomahak' became anglicized into 'tomahawk' over time.
 
From what I have read some of the first run of Bark River Goloks had to be sent back on the lifetime warranty plan due to loose handle scales. I have bash the heck out of mine and for the life of me I can not figure what the owners of those Goloks were doing with them to loosen a handle.

At any rate the new run will be glued and bolted. You can get nay handle you want. The synthetic materials and woods available in long pieces will be one piece slabs. The fancy woods will have a bolted bolster.

Any dealer that sells Bark River would probably take a pre-order.

Get on the wagon soon as Mike only bought 2800 lbs of the 5160 steel for the new run. They will go FAST.
Thanks that's what I wanted to know. It would depend on price though. I don't really have a need for one I just like the design so much it says "Buy me.":D
 
Bikermikearchery.... your post intrigued me. You wrote:

"I've used the bolo in the pic around the world and its what I'm most comfortable with."

Sounds like you might have had some adventures. Would you like to sum it up in one short post so we can get the idea of where you've been and what you did there?

I guess if you travelled by 'plane, you would have had the bolo in your suitcase which should be fine...but did you get hassled at all for having it with you?

Thanks in advance....Coote.



My step father was a carer U.S. Marine Korea through Vietnam. I was raised to think survival and self sufficiency
I was in the US Marine Corps for 14 years of active duty. I was fortunate enough to get to go to a lot of Survival Instructor schools, some that were for other branches of the service and pilots. I saw service in 13 country's, 3 of them being combat zones, and a few places I'm still not at liberty to admit that I was there. The Big Bolo has "been there and done that' so to speak.
I have a few Bolos that I have picked up over the years, but the top one in the pic fits my hand and just has the right feel. ( some day I'll make a pretty one)
Travel was for the most part courtesy of the U.S.goverment. Big knife no problem, I have checked big knives in with luggage at commercial air lines. No problems so far.
I've got about 35 years experience in teaching survival training, and I'm still learning my self.
Lot of guy really like an Axe, But I've used my Bolo to build an Igloo, and dig a snow cave, as well as build shelters in the tropics, and a lot of stuff in between.
 
i like the pics cucharadedragon posted.
if i had to chose between those mentioned, i d say khukuri. a khukuri is, to me, a balance between a axe and a short machete or big knife. you could do a lot of things with it. the only thing that might make me like the machete better is if you have to use your blades as a weapon, and when it comes to short weapons, i like to stab instead of cut, and the machete is the only thing you effectively stab with.
 
Thanks Bikermike... very interesting. Although you say you are still learning, you've obviously had a lot of experience.

My Dad served in Korea...artillery.
 
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