khukuri weight as a weapon

Discussions about weapons are not limited to the khukuris but span many different weapons.
"My question is how light is to light"
Long? Short? Big? Small? Light? Heavy?
Frankly it comes down to personal preference, training and most of all mind set.
Be it .45cal or 9mm or khukuris, knives, swords, pipes, chains what an individual is trained to use, comfortable controling and committed to using will prove most effective.

pragitam
 
John Minnery's premise is that the objective of the attack should be to stop the flow of oxygen to the brain.

From Minnery, Vol I:

"Hacking weapons are very effective and include axes, hatchets, mattocks, broad swords, cleavers, machetes, etc.

The cief concern with these weapons is that they be sharp as possible and that they have a fair weight.
...

When used as a weapon, the tendency to hack and hack must be discouraged. Lopping off arms and legs and attacking the face is unnecessary and only adds to the disorder and confusion. What is desired is a one-two approach. One, a downing or knock-out blow. Two, severing the head.
...
Although the neck is a prime target, the skull can be bisected. The chest cavity can also be penetrated to the heart with these weapons resulting in mortal wounds."
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Note:

The Gurkhas have a reputation for using khukuries to either remove the head, or bisect the skull (sometimes all the way down to the naval). Virtually, every historical refence on Gurkhas will include a few of these stories. Argentinian troops who surrendered in mass during the Falklands War, gave the reputation of the Gurkhas (especially their khukuries), as one of the reasons for their surrender.

The best khukuri would be which ever one you are most familiar with, although we can observe that the issued military khukuries were about the size of the HI BAS, and WWII models and somewhat lighter. Anyone who has been hunting knows that chopping through the rib cage is not an easy task. Calcium is a mineral and plenty of hunting knives have been destroyed in the attempt (the halfmoons on my Gerber LMF were up to 1/4" deep and 1" across when I tried it). So it would be important to go with something that has significant edge strength.

N2S
 
I think it all boils down to different strokes for different folks. Take a look at Dr. Duvon with his two WWIIs. He's comfortable with that. He knows how to do it and what to do. He's a khukuri master and not one I'd care to cross swords with. Take my special forces pal, Paul. Carried a Randall and 15inch Ak all over the world. In last encounter he disarmed his opponent with the 15 inch Ak and captured the man without drawing a drop of blood. Take me, very poor physical condition. In a prolonged encounter that's going to take a lot of dancing and dodging I'm a dead man and that's why I selected the 20 inch AK. I have to make sure the encounter is very short or I'm bound to lose. One strike is about all I'm good for. With the Ak if I connect I win. If I miss I'm done and three strikes and I'm out anyway.

And, I'll add this. If I didn't have such a sentimental attachment to my antique .38 that's been with me for almost 50 years I'd have a sawed off 12 guage in its place.
 
Semp. I've played around with some 3" No. 4 buck and I think they are better than the OO.

That wolf you have looks like one of my dogs that is part wolf. Too smart for her own good, and not scared of anything. More guts than brains maybe.:D
 
Many prefer number 4.

I'm with you on the khuks, Pappy.

I'm curious what size Khuk is neccesary to split a man down to his navel.



munk
 
I'm curious what size Khuk is neccesary to split a man down to his navel.

or what size/strength man swinging it! If I were strong enough, I'm sure I could do it with a Janawar Katne:D I'll tell you after handling ArchAngel's sirupati, and imagining one just a little heavier with a bigger handle....just maybe.
 
Gentlemen, The last Khuk that I purchased was the 20" Siru. It is by Bura and a real hummere. Even it might not, but I'm bettin on Bura and a 25" doing that little job post haste. I think a strong arm and a flick of the wrist and the job would be done. This 20 incher has surprised me. Maybe, I have been lucky and just got the right limbs. I have measured some of the stuff that it has waded through at 2 and 2 1/2" with one swipe. When you are talking oak that's sime cutting. I admit that this wasn't cured stuff. I think that cured oak would probably not cut any way but break.

I'm wondering if Mr. Holt when he was parcticed up suing that 25" Kobra wouldn't have put that blade down about navel deep.

Somebody on the first page of this thread would just love where this thread has gone. :D :D :D
 
The guy who made the cut was a Gurkha. So he would have been around 5 foot 2 inches tall, 115-120 Lbs, and carrying an 16-18 inch khukuri.

n2s
 
I personally believe we tend to under-estimate how much a sword can cut, particularly small swords. Thoughout history there good records of small swords doing amazing things. Ive even seen documented cases of swords cutting the legs offa horses. Personally I think most of it has to do with the wielder than the sword, but I would like to think a larger AK could make a Bad Guy think about making a career choice.
 
Used Khuks all his life and knew what he was doing with the WW2 18" and about 2 pounds. :)
 
Originally posted by Pappy
Semp. I've played around with some 3" No. 4 buck and I think they are better than the OO.

That wolf you have looks like one of my dogs that is part wolf. Too smart for her own good, and not scared of anything. More guts than brains maybe.:D

At close range, anything that comes out of the business end of a 12 GA is bad news, me thinks. :)

Sounds like me and your dog might have something in common. I've never been accused of being particularly smart. It's a Marine thing, ya know. :D :D
 
Do any of the forumites have a sense of the length and weight
of the the Roman Gladius? or Mongol sabre? Seems to me that
these folks would have worked out the best length/weight ratio
for their use...either as foot or cavalry weapons.

er...and the ribs along side the breast bone separate kind of
easily, at least in Wisconsin deer.

Interesting thread/interesting responses.


Kis
:rolleyes:
 
After 20 years seems like I'm familiar with some of them Marine things.
The dog is smart about most things but just don't have it in her to be scared. Not even of snakes.
Her Momma had one blue eye and she has two blue eyes that are so pale that they almost look grey.
I just love her to death. I don't go many places without her. Semper Fi!!! ;) :D
 
Originally posted by Semper Fi


At close range, anything that comes out of the business end of a 12 GA is bad news, me thinks. :)

You got that right!!!! Nu. 6's and 8's are recommended for inside the house as they get the job done without putting great big holes in the sheetrock or paneling, besides if it's panelling you can just tell people it's called "worm eaten.":)

Sounds like me and your dog might have something in common. I've never been accused of being particularly smart.

It's a Marine thing, ya know. :D :D

Hmmm, I've always been told it's because there has to be or has been a question of a man's heritage whether he can be a Marine or not.;) ;)


Please notice the winks.:D

I could've done it when I was 18, but not when I was 24 and been married since I was 16 with 3 kids like in what really happened. That was at least 5 years of gettin momma whipped damned near every day!!!! As it was the damn Army Grunt D.I.'s damned near killed my ass off anyway!!!!
 
Reminds me -- 50 years ago I was on the downhill slope of bootcamp at GLNTC. Easy life. Typed 60 wpm and was the fastest man in our company and anchor of our company relay team. Guys who've been there know what an easy time I had. God takes care of crazies and drunks.
 
Originally posted by Pappy
After 20 years seems like I'm familiar with some of them Marine things.

Pappy,
You probably have forgotten more than I ever knew! :D :D

What rank did you retire at? I was a SGT E-5 when I got out in '70. Seems like yesterday....till I look in the mirror anyway. ;)
 
Originally posted by Semper Fi
I was a SGT E-5 when I got out in '70. Seems like yesterday....till I look in the mirror anyway. ;)

Semp when I was in boot we had a Sergeant E-5 cook who had slash marks up both sleeves. I think that older man had seen things most people wouldn't want to know about. Being in boot none of us had the guts to ask him just how long he had been in and that many years in service bars couldn't be counted easily nor the ribbons on his dress greens.
Rumor was that he had been up to E-8 at one time and another one the booze had gotten to, but with as many years as he had in and the things he had done no one had anything but the greatest respect for what was then an old man to us snot nosed kids.
(including myself even if I was a little bit older than most, 24, turned 25 in boot, of the guys in our training platoon. One guy was a little over 30, but he had prior service with another branch and had been out too long to escape boot for the 2nd time. That had to have been rough even if he was in better shape than I was!!!!)
Most of the guys in our training platoon were gonna be headed for Nam real soon after graduation.
I think the smart ones went on to AIT and jump school, at least I believed then they would have a better chance at survival as it wasn't an "if" thing about going to Nam it was a certainity.
I had a very slight inkling of what they were getting into because of a Ranger fishing partner of mine and the tales he told.
 
Originally posted by Yvsa


Semp when I was in boot we had a Sergeant E-5 cook who had slash marks up both sleeves. I think that older man had seen things most people wouldn't want to know about. Being in boot none of us had the guts to ask him just how long he had been in and that many years in service bars couldn't be counted easily nor the ribbons on his dress greens.
Rumor was that he had been up to E-8 at one time and another one the booze had gotten to, but with as many years as he had in and the things he had done no one had anything but the greatest respect for what was then an old man to us snot nosed kids.
...........

Yvsa
I knew a couple of older guys like that. They made it up the enlisted ranks and then got busted back because of too much hell raising. I think that deep down they just decided they weren't going to lick the boots of those above them, they heard their own drummer and just did their own thing. They paid the price but us younger guys respected them. Real men in every sense of the word.

Semp --

By the way, my great grandmother was full Cherokee. Makes me one- eight, I think? :)
 
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