"Khuky" question... ;-)~

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So there have been some recent threads here singing the praises of the Zilla and how they are "all that". I have never really considered getting one because I feel like knives like the FBMLE and the B11 strike a better balance between being a great chopper and being great at many other things at the same time. The Zilla, however, appears to be the king of the mountain when it comes to strictly chopping. And so my question is this (I presume those with a Zilla have an interest in the khukuri design and may have other brands of khukuris, at least that I am hoping anyway):

If the Zilla is a better dedicated chopper than other Busse knives, how do the other brands of khuks compare to both the Zilla and other Busse knives? Are they equally as good as the Zilla and better than the B11 or does the B11 and Zilla put them to shame?

I guess I am contemplating a khuk, but I just don't know if it needs to be one of INFI. :o
 
My take on an INFI chopper vs Himalayan Imports:

I have a cgfbm, and while I feel it's probably better steel, my Himalayan Import kuk (15" GRS) can outchop it. The balance and mass behind the sweet spot of the chopping impact area makes chopping almost effortless. Let gravity do most of the work, quick snap of the wrist, and bam, chunks a-flying.

That said, the cgfbm outchops my 18" Himalayan Import Malla.

With handmade HI products, it depends on the general style (Ang Kola's are probably their best choppers), the blacksmith who makes it, and the steel available, since they take leaf springs from old Mercedes. I have another HI kukri that has a great geometry and balance for chopping, but the steel chips and now looks very toothy. Each one, even the same type from the same blacksmith, can turn out differently.
 
Doesn't everything need to be made of INFI?:D


I love my Zilla, and I like the fact that it's INFI and all the reassurances that come along with it. I've been thinking about picking up a HI M-43 kuk ( I think it's the closest to the zilla) and doing a chop off. I'm pretty sure LVC has a pretty big collection of kuks ( at least I think I saw that on another forum) hopefully he will comment
 
Yeah, I was going to say, LVC probably has an extremely thorough answer to this question. He may have even answered it before. I remember a thread on another forum he posted in with lots of info. Like was said, hopefully LVC will chime in.
 
If I may give my two cents without having experience with either brand's variations... I would go with Busse just from the level of quality and consistency you know you will get in the heat treat of the steel.
 
I have an older "Bone Cutter" from a now seemingly out of business maker. Nothing has out chopped it so far, nothing.

Regretfully I didnt get the smaller and larger versions, truly amazing blades.

Proof that looks arent everything, :p very fugly blades
 
You could always come by the house & see how they feel, I have both the TT KZ & the KZ II.

Unfortunately I sold the Blade 11 Proto, the handle was too small for my Hell Boy hands :(
 
Ive owned a KZ II and a CS Kukri and used both. Never used a HI kukri but between the SK5 kukri and the KZ II I think they had about the same chopping ability with the CS kukri being much lighter and faster in hand and the KZ II being slower but heavier and more powerful. INFI holds an edge about 10X as long as SK5 and you won't mess up the edge if you hit really hard wood. I chopped everything you can imagine with my KZ II and never had any rolling or chipping. I didn't use my SK5 kukri as hard because I didn't want to break it and also because of how hot satin steel gets when chopping.

Overall I think the KZ II wins because is has better edge retention and lifetime warranty but the CS kukri is definitely a value chopper, it just won't hold an edge long at all.
 
The handmade Khuks are nice in their own right, BUT I have had numerous "natural" handles fail while using. One completely separated into 2 while chopping. And then HI only warranties certain Khuks for certain mediums......not all can be used for chopping wood...hhmmmmmm......

And then you get the inconsistencies of ...who made it.....inclusions......the size of the hardened "sweet spot".....sometimes the edges are soft and you have to remove a bit to actually get to the hardened metal.....

Then again...this is MY experience with them.

My Cold Steel 5/16th Carbon V Khuk cuts like a damn demon though.

The TT KZ while quite "hearty" had a very thick edge....


All that said
I find myself longing for the B11 I had a chance to use once.....once
 
I have been using Khukri's a good while ... next year it will be 30 years ... the originals from Nepal and surrounding countries are a lucky dip depending upon how old they are and the history behind them ... an old one well used and cherished will be "great" ... I had one as a gift and used it for 15 or so years ... it was stolen from my belt kit ... I tried a number of others and they were "issue" mass produced poor quality ... no where near the same ... mine would have been at least 10 years old when I got it ... Cold Steel were the only company making a Khukri from good steel back then ... I bought a Carbon V one and still have it ... the handle was badly designed ... far too aggressive checkering ... a dremel drill and a small tube shaped grinder removed the checkering and it works well ... the edge it takes is great and more importantly it is a light blade ... around 16 to 18 oz's ... well able to be carried on the belt ... it was my belt kit knife for a long time ... up until I got a Basic 9 which I liked better ... more compact and still a good chopper ... the Basic 9 still is my belt kit knife.

The Infi Khukri's are great performers but are a bit too heavy for belt carry ... you need to carry them in or on a rucksack if walking any serious distance ... the best are the Nuclear versions because the weight taken off by the serrations on the spine does'nt affect their chopping ability and they come with a great TTKZ grip. They weigh in around 28 - 30 oz's and are similar to a NMFBM weight but they chop better.

So if you want a good khukri which you can carry on your belt a CS Carbon V modified by smoothing the handle is a great option ... better performance and rucksack carry go for a TTKZ or NTTKZ ... the KZII handles are very large and unless you have huge hands they will probably feel odd in comparison to how good the TTKZ grips are.

If Jerry would do a Khukri in Infi that weighed in at 18 oz's you would have "perfection" for belt use ... until then the CS version is the "tops" for me so long as you alter the grip.

A 14 oz Basic 9 though is IMO a better all round belt kit knife ... but nothing comes close to the Nuclear TTKZ for an all round top quality "chopper" if you are happy to carry it in a rucksack/bergan.

I would'nt buy a new HI or other true Khukri provider as you are kidding yourself if you think they are all made from Mercedes leaf springs ... and that the Heat Treatment is all of a high standard ... a "lucky dip" is more accurate IMO ...
 
I have a HI sgt kadkha forged bonecutter and it is a great chopper with alot of power. most of that power comes from the 1/2" stock which makes it really heavy. I haven't had a chance to fondle the Busse but I imagine the Busse would be lighter. The HI came with a nice buffalo leather sheath, the little knife and the little blade straightener [someone must know names] all for less than $200 which is a deal compared to the Busse. Bang for the buck - the HI would win, but overall which one is better regardless of price I can not offer an opinion.
 
Proof that looks arent everything, :p very fugly blades

Haha, weird, I love the look of traditional khukuris and think Busses are mega ugly! I have a Bonecutter modeled after your Gurkha House khuk and agree with you on the chopping ability of the design. I've never handled a Busse and would really love to compare the two, though.

And a quick note about the steel: Mercedes truck springs are actually plentiful around the world, as Mercedes is a major producer of commercial use vehicles throughout Europe and Asia. So trusting a reputable shop like H.I. isn't a stretch when they claim that's what they use. And all of my H.I. khuks have been CONSISTENTLY resistant to chipping and rolling after hard use and the first sharpening. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend H.I. to anyone looking for a bomb-proof khukuri.
 
Great thread. I was just looking for a thread like this recently. :thumbup:
 
I have both the TTKZ and a CS Carbon V Kukri. Love both, but have only actually used the CS and it is quite a chopper. I have no doubt INFI will hold up better. I was a little disappointed with the wear the Carbon V edge took pretty much immediately. Thinking back on it, I was probably being a little rougher with it than I should have been:D

I also agree with Pete about the CS handle. It's kinda rough to use un-gloved, but sanded down a bit, I bet it would be great.

Much like a FAL, the feel of a Killa Zilla in hand does make one feel pretty bada$$ :D:D:D
 
The Zilla chops like no other Busse!
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For the record I was distracted by your avatar, OP, so if I don't perfectly answer your question, its not my fault.
In my experience, many great khukuris have been made by many different people. Khukuri House and HI do very good khuk's. The Busse KZII is a fine khuk (I can't speak to the other Busse khuk's capabilities, unfortunately). Must it be INFI? Perhaps not. Is INFI an advantage in the making of the blade? Yes, in my opinion.

In the spirit of this forum, I say go INFI. But if you can't afford to, HI and KH are excellent.
 
To Answer the Op's question:
There is no real use to compare different khukuri from different makers. The variation in styles, designs,geometries and weights make it almost impossible to come up with a fair and accurate representation and conclusion. Too many times i've seen blades compared that were apples and oranges. There is a big difference is materials and workmanship also, which must be factored in, the old forging vs. stock removal debate....if you will.
Busse makes blades that cover their niche in the market well, as does any other maker. It is patently unfair to one or the other when you compare them without first taking into consideration the differences. Add the fact of differences in perception and opinion into the mix and it becomes even harder to compare.
There is no one Do-It-All khukuri. It is the reason for so much variation in the design of the khukuri.

Thank you, Moogoogaidan, for trying to set the record straight on the subject of steel.

As many know, Himalayan Imports made its name and reputation in the khukuri business by bringing high quality useable traditional khukuri to the world market. The first to do so in any real quantity with any real longevity. At a time when tourist khukuri were the norm, Uncle Bill and H.I. forged the path for creating top shelf khukuri worthy of respect anywhere, educated in their making and usage, and in general, thru magazine articles and marketing brought the khukuri from an obscure knife used by an elite fighting corps to the notice of the world.

To Address Gravelfaces and peterPHWS comments:

I won't comment specifically on the handle issue, as it was before my time and shouldve been addressed to/by Uncle or Auntie already and been made whole.
As far as H.I. warranting only certain models for certain mediums..... This is a little complicated. First, It was necessary to modify the warranty this way to protect H.I. from unscrupulous individuals who were abusing the knives and the warranty. Some intentionally breaking product in order to claim warranty, but others, whom, thru lack of knowledge or possessing an unreasonable expectation of knife usage, damaged product by improper usage. It was felt that the change in warranty would reflect our postion on and encourage the proper and safe usage of our many blades. Also, it is hoped that users will take the time to ask questions and understand the reasoning behind the many styles and variations of khukuri and knives we offer. There is a khukuri made for, and suitable for almost any task you can imagine.
Inclusions, variations in design and manufacture are expected things in handmade/forged manufacturing, just as it is in handmaking sheaths.
I can assure you that Himalayan Imports does it's best to insure consistancy and high quality.
About the soft edges. This is a known problem in the manufacturing process. It only happens on highly polished blades. Sometimes the buffing process anneals a thin skin of metal on the edge. A couple sharpenings exposes the hardened metal again and all is well. We are doing our best to mitigate this as much as possible.

To address the "lucky dip" theory:
This may have been true years ago, and may still be true in some places of the world by makers looking for the fast buck.
It is true that many khukuri are/have been made with less than quality materials and workmanship to people without adequate knowledge.
Himalayan Imports has never looked for the easy way or the easy money. Reputations are built on integrity.
 
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So how do you "source" only Mercedes truck leaf springs for the steel which you claim and advertise is used in the knives you sell ?
 
As many know, Himalayan Imports made its name and reputation in the khukuri business by bringing high quality useable traditional khukuri to the world market. The first to do so in any real quantity with any real longevity. At a time when tourist khukuri were the norm, Uncle Bill and H.I. forged the path for creating top shelf khukuri worthy of respect anywhere, educated in their making and usage, and in general, thru magazine articles and marketing brought the khukuri from an obscure knife used by an elite fighting corps to the notice of the world.

Hence the avatar of Carcharodon carcharias gnawing the khuk was created ....leaving the carnage that only seems insatiable to the HIKV.:D
 
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