Kitchen Cutlery

But in this sense, there's no use to having damascus for any knife, right (generally speaking)? It's the same idea for any knife.

Not quite. I'll explain why I think that in a moment.

But first, I should be clear that I don't deny that there's a market for high-end kitchen cutlery with fancy material. But my suspicion is that there would be likely a larger market for monosteel blades with G10 or carbon fiber handles offered at a lower price point, particularly on here.

Back to my response to Don's point. What I'm saying is that there's a difference in perspective on kitchen knives vs other types of knives. I would venture to say that a kitchen knife, to most people, indicates a USER knife (take Rick's first post in here as an example). I mean, when you think of kitchen knives, do you think of them as being for use or display? That's not to say that the same can't be true of bowies and other knives, but then, the predominant sense I have gotten, in my admittedly limited experience, seems to suggest that people prefer monosteel blades for users, and damascus for display knives. There have been a couple of threads in both the General forum as well as the Custom Knives forum to that effect.

Major difference #2 is that, because kitchen knives aren't commonly considered display knives, you won't see them getting displayed on neat stands, etc, like you may with a presentation bowie. Instead, they get thrown in a drawer in the kitchen, or stuck in a knife block. If it comes in a box, it may hang out in the box for special occasions, but if it's going to be in regular use in a kitchen, you're likely not going to be displaying it somewhere where the damascus is visible, which, considering the aesthetic value of damascus and the perception that monosteel is generally better for a user, means that it's probably more inappropriate on a kitchen knife, at least for this forum.

Difference #3 is that the majority of this forum has potentially skewed perspectives on what constitutes an expensive knife when it comes to thinking about folders vs fixed vs kitchen knives. Again, I don't deny that there is a market out there. But I believe the initial question was: why not here?

So I think the problem is two-fold. First, consider how small a percentage of the group of average knife users actually cooks, and uses their kitchen knives on a regular basis. If they don't spend a lot of time in the kitchen, they're not likely to want a custom kitchen knife. If they're traditional families, where the woman is the one doing most of the cooking (hate to be sexist, but there it is), consider how few female members we have as is. Not to say there aren't plenty of guy chefs on here, but I'd bet there's a smaller portion of the membership here who spend a lot of time in the kitchen, as compared to those who spend more time out in the woods. And who's gonna bring their 1000 dollar 9" chef or santoku out to the bush, right? So there's a limited market already on here for those who would actually WANT to buy a custom kitchen knife, and many of them won't want to spend a lot of money.

Second, consider that most of the kitchen knives that DO get put up, tend to be damascus and expensive handle materials which require considerably more care. I'm one of the guys who cooks literally every day. I use knives to cook every time, of course, and I've made a few knives for my own kitchen because I needed better knives than what I had available. But I use my knives hard, and with the number of dishes I create and how much time I have for cleaning, it's a boon that most of my knives are dishwasher safe. I wouldn't want to throw a damasteel custom with expensive handle materials in the dishwasher. However, I'd absolutely buy a basic model with monosteel and inexpensive but tough handle materials. Sounds like Morrow is in the same boat. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there's at least some of a market for a custom kitchen knife in 154CM or something with a carbon fiber handle, offered at a sub $1000 price point (200-500 would be my spitball guess as to what people would consider a good deal). Is there a market for fancier models? Sure. But is that the market here on Blade Forums?
 
Good points crimson.

I was on the train of thought that if one were to have a display knife, it wouldn't matter if it were for the kitchen or for anything else really? Since it wouldn't see use anyways, it wouldn't matter if it were a delicate kitchen slicer or exquisite framelock.
 
As my user name suggests , I'am a chef. I have spent large sums of money most of my life buying the best knives I could afford. One of the great things about being a chef, is being able to play with knives and get paid for it.The reason I got into knife making was to make myself and now other chefs, knives that are somewhat unique and still affordable. Check out Bob Kramer he has now sold his designs to Shun and Henckles and auctions his knives for thousands of dollars. Salem Straub is a knife maker who I have high praise for as his knives are beautiful works of art and he uses them . I find it ironic to hear that great knife makers use Cutco knives at home. Stop the madness, use good knives !!!
 
I'm not sure I count as a great knife maker, if you're referring to me. Amateur, sure.

I don't want to discuss Cutco here. Suffice it to say that they're plenty good for a home chef. I understand the flaws for a line chef who cooks for a large number of people, but they've proven their performance over the comparably priced Henckels Twin and Wusthof offerings that they have to compete with in my kitchen. Nor do I want to shell out for an expensive damasteel custom, as previously mentioned. While I wait for some of the great makers you've mentioned to offer something in monosteel and in my budget, I'll continue using them, and the knives I've made, in my own kitchen.
 
I have listed four different Kitchen Knives and only one sold, after it sat for over a month. I really like making kitchen cutlery and using them, but they don't seem to sell here for me. I even try to keep my prices low and that does not work.
 
My impression is that the makers who have a reputation for making a good performing kitchen knife have a bit of a waiting list.
There are some beautiful and great performing kitchen knives being made by knife makers here on this forum.
I have a few in the works of being made by some of the guys here. This is a Nakiri that was just completed for me by Butch Harner.
I can't wait for it to arrive.
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It is funny that most of the guys here are touting stainless blades mikarta/g10/synthetic handle material. Most of the kitchen cutlery that I make are 52100 nice wood or better for handles. from the feed back that I get from my customers (most of them professionals) prefer carbon steel and nicer handles or a san mai blade with a carbon core for everyday use. these are two of my best selling style of knives

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Its a simple equation of "Know your market". There is not a lot of discussion here about kitchen knives. There is a kitchen knife sub-forum., I don't know when it was added, but there are only 17 threads. When I go to the general forum, the talk is all about EDC, tactical and bushcraft. Even here in Shop Talk there is rarely any discussion about kitchen knives. I also think the price of a custom kitchen knife (no matter how deserved), is daunting to a lot of people for reasons stated above, cost vs damage, care and feeding, etc.

Oh, and its also because of Rick. "NoName/Ginsu"? Really? ;)
 
Wow Bill!
I don't think I have seen the Koa Slicer before.
It's a beauty.

I think that some of the makers are afraid that the customers won't take care of the knives so they use the synthetics and stainless.
But, with a little education on the care of the knife they will learn to care for it properly.
Up until just over a year ago I had only used store bought kitchen knives.
What an eye opener when I got my first hand made kitchen knife.
...and I haven't even used one by a Master Smith yet.
Now all the store bought ones have been tossed aside.
 
It won't be long Mark before you will be.:)
Wow Bill!
I don't think I have seen the Koa Slicer before.
It's a beauty.

Up until just over a year ago I had only used store bought kitchen knives.
What an eye opener when I got my first hand made kitchen knife.
...and I haven't even used one by a Master Smith yet.
Now all the store bought ones have been tossed aside.
 
Nothing against carbon or wood kitchen knives personally, I love them. I just know that in my kitchen they will be abused and forgotten (often underwater) and rust/rot, so less maintenance is good. But someone that takes care of a knife in the kitchen would be a very good experience with those nicer materials I'm sure.
 
It won't be long Mark before you will be.:)
I have a birthday coming up in a few weeks. Hint, Hint

Nothing against carbon or wood kitchen knives personally, I love them. I just know that in my kitchen they will be abused and forgotten (often underwater) and rust/rot, so less maintenance is good. But someone that takes care of a knife in the kitchen would be a very good experience with those nicer materials I'm sure.

Kitchen knife maintenance is simple.
Rinse, wipe with a towel, done.
 
It's not that it's hard, I just know it won't get done ;) I personally take care of my knives, except when in hard use outdoors at times.. but it pains me to see friends and family use fine knives at times.

That's partly why I buy a bunch of your stabilized woods, as it's not an issue anymore. That and it's more addicting than crack, collecting that stuff ;)
 
I have a quite a few kitchen knives in carbon steel and I enjoy them all. I do also have some stainless pieces (CPM-154, ZDP-189 and SG2) none of which are anything to sneeze at. My original question wasn't meant to argue the merits of damascus, stainless, carbon or choice of handle materials. My question is why aren't there more kitchen knives showing up in the Exchange? :)

I don't believe for a second there isn't a market here for all levels of quality kitchen knives.
 
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I was a little harsh. There is some very good stainless out there.

OK guys, start posting some kitchen knives in the exchange. :)
 
Bill, Michael and a few others have tapped into the crazy high end kitchen knife crowd as have a few other of our brethren. These guys are demanding as hell and will insult your knives even when the really like them...........kind of like STeven on roids. :-D Th other problem is that you can get some great knives from Japan for fairly reasonable prices and that is what you as a maker are competing against until you built a REALLY solid reputation. The market is small at this point IMO and VERY finicky. I have made a couple and they are probably even harder to make money on that say a bowie because they can be quite time consuming
 
I almost finished my first 3 santokus and I dont think they are good enough to sell even at a low price. Guess what my sisters are getting for xmas? lol
 
I almost finished my first 3 santokus and I dont think they are good enough to sell even at a low price. Guess what my sisters are getting for xmas? lol

Hahaha, great comment.

jdm61 made a really good point about there being many great knives from Japan at a reasonable cost.
 
I have made about 30 6.5" kitchen knives with carbon fiber handles and they sell like crazy. Big waiting list is most of the reason I don't sell them on the forum. Not very often I make one and it doesn't have a buyer. I make users though.
cpm154cm .100 thick flat grind, scary sharp
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