Right. And while I respect that you don't buy China, buying a Gemini supports a US blade designer. I'm not sure if that would be enough to persuade you or anyone else to change their mind, but I'm going where Ray's going for the simple reason that I'm priced out of his customs and I love his designs. (Thank God I bought a Slim EDC from Ray before the prices of his customs hit the stratosphere.) The fact that Kizer did a spectacular job of delivering a reasonably-priced production version of his Small Jasmine Flipper doesn't hurt anything either. I'd defy any other maker, foreign or domestic, to have done better.