Kizer Knives

You either want to support an American maker, or you want a knife for cheap that looks cool.. If cool and cheap are your thing, Kizer looks like a great knife... If you care to support your economy and get a great knife with super customer service and have a cool looking/great functioning knife, support local.

It's like you either don't care about purchases and shop Walmart, or you go downtown and buy from local ma and pa shops. If it's "too expensive" and "I'd rather" save my money", then continue doing what works for you. Vote with your dollar.

Oh, and if your argument is: I am the best bang for my buck, buy a SAK and support Switzerland! :D Why will a Kizer in S35vn be better than a knife in 1095? And if you want a "nice knife" for cheap... you are cheap! :D

Sick of Kizer and China. Period.
 
China's been making cutlery for thousands of years. There's quality work if you seek it out, but if people buy mediocre stuff on a regular basis, then more of that stuff will be made.

That said, the Kizers I've had were definitely worth more than what I paid for them, when compared to the big companies. S35VN + ceramic detent + full sculpted Ti framelock + lockbar insert + multicolor anodizing for ~$120 or less? That's pretty good.
 
PURPLEDC said:
I personally think kizer has done more than enough to prove themselves. If people arent satisfied yet I feel they will never be satisfied.
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I guess my Google fu is rusty. I just spend 10 minutes on Blade HQ and the Kizer Homepage to figure out how hard they run S35VN for example. I could find lots of specs but no rockwell hardness on any of their blades. It's probably not too soft from what I can tell by my knife but it would be great to know a concrete number.
 
sloth357 said:
You either want to support an American maker, or you want a knife for cheap that looks cool.. If cool and cheap are your thing, Kizer looks like a great knife... If you care to support your economy and get a great knife with super customer service and have a cool looking/great functioning knife, support local.

It's like you either don't care about purchases and shop Walmart, or you go downtown and buy from local ma and pa shops. If it's "too expensive" and "I'd rather" save my money", then continue doing what works for you. Vote with your dollar.

Oh, and if your argument is: I am the best bang for my buck, buy a SAK and support Switzerland! :D Why will a Kizer in S35vn be better than a knife in 1095? And if you want a "nice knife" for cheap... you are cheap! :D

Sick of Kizer and China. Period.
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They're buying American steel for their knives. How is buying a Kizer not supporting America? Not to mention the US shipping companies that ship the product to America.
 
sloth357 said:
You either want to support an American maker, or you want a knife for cheap that looks cool.. If cool and cheap are your thing, Kizer looks like a great knife... If you care to support your economy and get a great knife with super customer service and have a cool looking/great functioning knife, support local.
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Why not support the people at Kizer? Or do the people at Kizer not deserve any support, regardless of the quality of their products, until they pick up and move to the US?

Also, have you ever owned one of their knives? My Kizers could probably cut most of your knives in half. Their fit and finish and overall quality is absolutely stellar. Your comments paint you as completely ignorant.
 
This was not supposed to be about pro or anti-Chinese banter. As a highly educated individual I know that due to global economic issues there is no such thing as a pure American or pure Chinese products. I also have no delusions about what challenges the Chinese present in a competitive market place. They do not play by the rules; it is that simple. Remember, this site highly regards ZT knives with most speaking favorably about them siting they are great American company. This is not really true from a legal standpoint. ZT is own by KAI international based in Japan. They also own Kershaw; another darling that we all alike. So remember we are talking about a knife not a political ideology.
 
sloth357 said:
You either want to support an American maker, or you want a knife for cheap that looks cool.. If cool and cheap are your thing, Kizer looks like a great knife... If you care to support your economy and get a great knife with super customer service and have a cool looking/great functioning knife, support local.
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Well, I really like my Kershaw and ZT knives, built everywhere from the US to Japan to China, but KAI is a Japanese company. So, am I supporting "local" any more by buying a KAI product than I am by buying a Kizer knife made from American steel? Or a Spyderco made in Taiwan or China? Everyone seems to support the "American" ideal of capitalism, until it is opened up to include competitive products from other countries. I generally will make a point to avoid Chinese products if a non-Chinese alternative is available, but since Kizer is the only manufacturer I know of making the specific knife I'm looking for, they alone can provide a supply for my demand.

It's like you either don't care about purchases and shop Walmart, or you go downtown and buy from local ma and pa shops. If it's "too expensive" and "I'd rather" save my money", then continue doing what works for you. Vote with your dollar.
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It's seems that when China enters the conversation, "buying the product that meets your needs" gets left out of the equation. Besides, Ma and Pa are sometimes as guilty as Wally World of selling absolute crap, often at inflated prices. I'll pay a little more for better customer service, even if it's just a nicer shopping experience with no need for more than a competent cashier. However, that's not something to be assumed just because a business is locally owned.

Oh, and if your argument is: I am the best bang for my buck, buy a SAK and support Switzerland! :D Why will a Kizer in S35vn be better than a knife in 1095? And if you want a "nice knife" for cheap... you are cheap! :D

Sick of Kizer and China. Period.
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So, if a great deal - a cheap price - pops up on something that is just plain nice, a person should walk away so as to avoid being taken for a cheapskate? Look, if your MO is to buy American, there's nothing wrong with that. If you have a personal aversion to Chinese products, there's nothing wrong with that either. But seriously, if a company like Kizer can prove itself capable of producing a quality knife on or near the level of more expensive competing knives, it seems to me that they've earned a "place at the table" when talking about nice knives, cheap or not.

Personally, I'm going to take a chance on one. If it sucks, well, lesson learned. If it's an excellent knife, then getting it for a good price is an added bonus.
 
Inazone said:
Personally, I'm going to take a chance on one. If it sucks, well, lesson learned. If it's an excellent knife, then getting it for a good price is an added bonus.
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If you like the look of it, I highly recommend the Flashbang. Here are pics of mine: http://imgur.com/a/UMTRY. Other knives I have of theirs that I highly recommend:

Sunburst: http://i.imgur.com/SRhs01N.jpg
Ki423: http://i.imgur.com/TIbr9rw.jpg
Ki3404 (comes with different handle types): http://i.imgur.com/5wwFU8i.jpg

All available on Blade HQ!
 
Just purchased my 3rd Kizer - the Matt Cuccharia Dorado Skully (forefront of pic below).

I am now 3 for 3 in terms of quality and F&F.

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I'll buy more as they continue to manufacture knives of this quality. :)
 
I'm basically obligated to get a 4450ti, but I'm going to wait until I find one cheaper than an 0808. They're $200 on BHQ, which is about $50 more than I really want to spend on one... And I'm not keen on the G10 linerlock versions.
 
brancron said:
Why not support the people at Kizer? Or do the people at Kizer not deserve any support, regardless of the quality of their products, until they pick up and move to the US?
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Primarily because taking a global view of economics is to your detriment if you live in the apex economy. The US economy can only get worse. So while you are bringing the Kizer employee's standard of living up, you are doing it by sacrificing the average US citizen's standard of living. That's the economic reality of massive trade deficits.


These seem like nice knives. They also seem like they are twice as expensive as similar precision made Chinese knives, or priced about the same as similar name-brand Boker Plus collaborations. So you can still make an argument that they are not really great values at these price points, being both Chinese made and Chinese branded.

brancron said:
Sick of a company you apparently have no experience with and of a country containing nearly 1 out of every 5 human beings on the planet. Wow, you're a class act.
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And I believe Sloth357 was expressing how many of us are tired of this subject, not being a racist as you imply and personally attack him for.
 
RX-79G said:
Primarily because taking a global view of economics is to your detriment if you live in the apex economy. The US economy can only get worse. So while you are bringing the Kizer employee's standard of living up, you are doing it by sacrificing the average US citizen's standard of living. That's the economic reality of massive trade deficits.


These seem like nice knives. They also seem like they are twice as expensive as similar precision made Chinese knives, or priced about the same as similar name-brand Boker Plus collaborations. So you can still make an argument that they are not really great values at these price points, being both Chinese made and Chinese branded.


And I believe Sloth357 was expressing how many of us are tired of this subject, not being a racist as you imply and personally attack him for.
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Be honest man, with nearly everything being made in china do you really think the fate of our economy rests in the hands of a few knife sales? Either way i would probably have an easier time swallowing your post if the same logic and principals were also applied to knives made outside the usa but also outside of china. In other words many of the people constantly on the threads about chinese knives usually dont find their way into threads about shirogorov, custom knife factory etc. and any reservations anyone has about the ethics of supporting businesses in china would also apply to knives made in Russia. And if its really just about supporting america then there are only a few select brands who dont have a foot in the global economy.
 
RX-79G said:
These seem like nice knives. They also seem like they are twice as expensive as similar precision made Chinese knives, or priced about the same as similar name-brand Boker Plus collaborations. So you can still make an argument that they are not really great values at these price points, being both Chinese made and Chinese branded.
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What similar made Chinese knives? And Boker Plus? Are you serious? The quality of Kizer knives far exceeds that of Boker Plus. More fundamentally, why are you bloviating about the quality of a brand you don't have experience with either? You people are absolutely maddening.
 
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