Knife Abuse

That, my friend, is called trying to be funny. But then again, if I knew exactly what scenario I'd be facing then I could bring the right tool, wouldn't you say?

Point taken. Nothing wrong with wanting a knife durable enough to handle an emergency(even if it's totally destroyed in the process), but I think you're watching too many videos if you think a folder will handle the job you suggested:).
 
Point taken. Nothing wrong with wanting a knife durable enough to handle an emergency(even if it's totally destroyed in the process), but I think you're watching too many videos if you think a folder will handle the job you suggested:).

I'm under no illusions. :)
 
You can open a paint can with pretty much anything you can find in any given room. There's no need to use your knife.
Opening a paint can with your knife blade = lazy.

If snapping the tip off my knife is the only way I'm gonna make it home, then you can bet I'll be snapping that tip and moving on. I can justify that.

But there is zero excuse to use your knife for anything other then cutting if you have access to a full range of tools.
There just isn't.
 
^ This.

To the OP, I totally get what you're saying, and I agree. Some knives can handle a lot more that than simple delicate cutting, and when it comes down to it, it's YOUR KNIFE you can do what ever you want with it.

I don't get the guys who are like "a knife can ONLY be used for one thing! And anyone who uses a knife for something that I don't must be mentally deficient." :thumbdn:

That is what inovation is all about. That is how improvemenets in both design and matterial come about.

Why should anyone get upset over what someone else does with THEIR knife? If it makes them happy to "abuse " it, or if they simply need a knife to perform a task other than simple cutting, because it's what they have on them when the task is needed, why knock them for it?


I think there may be some confusion as to the message I am trying to get across so I'll make it very simple.

A knife is made for cutting and stabbing. That is what it has been used for since the dawn of the cutting tool for man when they used sharp flint pieces to cut at animal flesh. If you want an all in one tool then buy a Leatherman or a SAK. These MULTITOOLS are made specifically to handle many different tasks hence the name Multitool. I am not talking about using your knife in life or death situations where you may have to risk breaking your knife or perhaps injuring your hand to save your life or the life of another. That is not what the original post is about. Anyone that keeps coming back to this thread and stating that they will use their knife in whatever way they have to in order to save themselves, you're missing the point of this thread. Go back to the beginning and read again. The original post is about using knives for tasks that they were never intended to be used for. i.e. Opening paint cans with a knife. As it has been said already, and not just by me, if you're a painter and all you have is a knife to open your paint cans, well then you're just a piss poor painter.

This doesn't only come down to opening paint cans with your knife, but this seems to be the one scenario that keeps popping up. The bottom line is that you have a sharp instrument in your hand and using it to do something it was not meant to do is not smart. You risk injury every time you decide to be lazy and pull your knife out to open a paint can, pry something else, pull a nail from a wall, or a hundred other things that your knife was never made to do. Master Chefs use knives all the time in a manner that they were made to be used and still cut themselves very badly at times.

If you want to use your knife to do a task that it wasn't meant to do, do it. Just don't expect anyone to care when you open an vein or lose a digit. Use it as a prybar, a hammer, a screwdriver, a can opener, stab 50 gallon drums for no reason. Go nuts. Just don't be the guy who comes back and says, hey I tried to use my knife for "whatever" and now the blade is dull, the tip snapped off, the blade is bent, the lockup sucks now, there's massive bladeplay, or I cut myself really bad now everyone feel sorry for me.

Directly from Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: knife
Pronunciation: \ˈnīf\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural knives \ˈnīvz\
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English knif, from Old English cnīf, perhaps from Old Norse knīfr; akin to Middle Low German knīf knife
Date: before 12th century
1 a : a cutting instrument consisting of a sharp blade fastened to a handle b : a weapon resembling a knife
2 : a sharp cutting blade or tool in a machine
3 : surgery 4 —usually used in the phrase under the knife

— knife·like \ˈnīf-ˌlīk\ adjective


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/knife

Brittanica Online Encyclopedia states pretty much the same thing:

Tool or implement for cutting. Knives form the largest class of cutting implements known collectively as cutlery

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/320285/knife
 
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Hmmm...my folder philosophy is the same as Tony's

However fixed blade is a different story, ESEE, Busse have warranty's that will cover even stupidity, as long as you don't intentionally try to break their knife to get a new one you are covered, and sometimes even then they would cover you. I carried a fixed blade as multi tool, as something that can take care of different tasks, so I don't have to carry a different tool's with me. In the past I broke knifes, and got new ones, now I rarely manage to break them, but I still like to be able to do what ever I need to with something I have on me, there is a reason why I'm willing to put down $400 on a knife.
 
I think the OP is trying to say one shouldn't give a bad review on a knife judging from its inability to do something other than a cutting task.
 
I think the OP is trying to say one shouldn't give a bad review on a knife judging from its inability to do something other than a cutting task.

When a knife is marketed as hard use and fails to live up to the manufacturer's hype, that is just cause for a bad review. ;)
 
I think the OP is trying to say one shouldn't give a bad review on a knife judging from its inability to do something other than a cutting task.

When a knife is marketed as hard use and fails to live up to the manufacturer's hype, that is just cause for a bad review. ;)

I like these last two posts... They compliment eachother, perfectly.

I agree with Kenny...

I think he is well aware of what constitutes knife abuse. If someone decides to do a review on which knife can pry open an outhouse door the fastest, it is basically a review on abusing a knife. If one breaks off in the process, it shouldn't reflect poorly on its ability to be a KNIFE. On the other hand if someone is an EMS, LEO, SAR, Firefighter or just a really paranoid guy waiting for the S to HTF... they may find this review very useful. You never know what circumstances can leave you separated from your tools and all you have is all you have.



Rick
 
when you get lazy and start taking shortcuts . . .that's when you end up electrocuting yourself, blowing a hand off, dying, or even worse yet killing someone else.

Exhibit C:
The Gulf oil spill.

Transocean managers complained BP was "taking shortcuts" the day of the explosion by replacing heavy drilling fluid with saltwater in the well that blew out.

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37363106/

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You never know what circumstances can leave you separated from your tools and all you have is all you have.

Good point. That's why I EDC one of these. The hood ornament has come in handy as a stir stick more often than you think.

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Limiting the scope of a tool allows it to be specialized to serve a specific function. Pry all you want with your Busses. They're designed for that. But, if you pry with your filet knife, then you are a dumbass. Thats just plain common sense.
 
The solution is simle. It is your knife, use it how you want. Just do some research first, and if you feel the need to have a knife to beat and possible break, buy one with a warranty to match.

Busse, Swamp Rat, Scrap Yard, ESSE (formerly RAT), and a few others I am forgeting.

There are knives out there that will take it, and if they do fail, you simply avail your self of the fantastic warranties.


That said,

I don't do too much prying or hammering with the spine of my Busse's. I keep them sharp, and try not to mess the edges up too much, because then I have to spend my time re sharpening out the dammage. Occasionally I will ding the edge.

I do tent to push them a bit more because I know they can take it, but I sure as heck don't chop concrete, or split heavy drag chains up in the mountains for the hell of it (you know who you are, you sick puppies :D)
 
I'd seriously like to know what sort of scenario would actually require the use of a pocket knife to cut through something like a car hood? Let's even say a car door for that matter?

My take is people can do what they want with the knives they buy, but shouldn't be surprised if(or when) those same knives do a poor job doing things other than cutting. Further to that, they probably should'nt complain if (or when) the knife does poorly.

Let me give you one. I have a friend, who asked me "Big T, what kind of a folder can I get that will be tough and a good value?"

"Well, DK", I replied in my deep manly voice "you can't go wrong with a Cold Steel Recon 1 with a tanto point."

A few weeks later, DK approaches me at work, and says, "Big T, I think I messed up my knife, can you sharpen the nicks out of the edge on this? Is it fixable?"

I looked, and sure enough, he had some blunting and edge rolls etc. I asked him what the crap he had done. (in a slightly Paternal voice tinged with knowledge and wisdom).

Well, he had been up on a mountain in the snow, with no one arround, and no cell service (up in the Uinta mountain range). He had locked the keys in his vehicle (an old beater of a car). He had two choices, break a window, up in the mountains, at night, in a snow storm, and face driving all the the way home with a broken window in the cold (now DK is skinny, and not as well insulated as I am).

His second choice was to try to force the lock with the only tool he had available. His folding knife. He forced the lock on the passenger side, and drove home toasty and safe.

That same winter, he brought me the same knife, again with edge damage (although not as much). He had done the exact same thing again. Locked his keys in the vehicle, up on the same mountain. He actually used the knife this time to pry the door pannel back a bit and pop the lock (which he had broken the last time by forcing it).

Now, both of these things were abusive to a knife. I would not recommend doing it. You could snap a tip, or get a lock to fail if you were not using a good strong lock. You could slip and cut your fingers off, or slice an artery.

All those things are true.

But, a strong folder, with a strong lock saved the day twice. Yes, there was an option of breaking a window in the cold and facing a several hour drive back while freezing.

Had I recomended a knife from many higher end manufacturers, or of course some very high quality folders from custom makers, he might have broken the blade, or made the lock fail, and lost some fingers etc. (there are some expensive folders that are just not desined for anyting besides slicing soft medium, and there is nothing wrong with that).

I could have also recommended some real heavy duty production folders or custom made folders that have very strong blade and lock designs (and much better warranties than Cold Steel does), but cost a lot more money (which my friend would not have been able to afford).

The correct solution would be to quit locking your keys in the vehicle up in the snowy mountains, or even putting a Hide-A-Key some where on the vehicle.



Just the other day, I had to install two dead bolts. I miss planned the event, and did not have the appropriate tool to do the job proper. I needed several chisels to cut out the strike plate openings on the door and door jambs (sp?).

My father was out of town, and so was my brother. Due to the late hour, going to the hardware store to buy some chisels was also not an option.


The Lock issue was prompted by some juveniles actually stopping in the drive way, getting out and photographing my house and the contents of my open garage late at night. I was still up, and had yet to shut the garage, or park the cars.

My older brother, who is a neighbor chased them out of the neighborhood, and My wife and I suddenly felt the need for a stronger lock, including some deadbolts. We had already planned to replace the locks, and add dead bolts to both the front door and the garage, and had the locks already purchased.

I had a knife with a square design, with a chisel front edge (sharpened front edge, with a 90 degree angle to the main edge).

That knife is not a chisel. That knife has no warranty of any kind, because I made it in my garage, with the simplest of tools. I heat treated it and tempered it my self using a coal fire, and oil quench.

I used that knife as it was not intended to be used. I hammered it into the door and doorjamb to cut out a strike plate hole. I actually used a big heavy hickory club to batton the knife into the hard wood. It was sharp, it was dangerous. I wore safety glasses. I got both door locks installed (and not looking too bad, I must say).

I did not have the appropriate tools, and that was from lack of planning.

I improvised at the late hour, and met with success.

Long examples, but I think the point was that often knives get used where they should not be, and how they should not be, some times out of necessity. Some situation are true emergencies. Some are not (I could have waited another night to do the door locks, and gotten the chisels, or borrowed them from my brother the next day etc).

I have some knives that I know will withstand abuse if I need them to. I do try to use the appropriate tool for the job (I have had several "borrowed" knives be returned to me missing tips, or really messed up becasue they were used inappropriately to pry, or cut things knives have no business cutting).

I have knives I would not use for hard use ever, unless it was life or death (or very close).

I have some knives I know will do in a pinch, and are covered with unbeatable warranties. I have tools, and when I am near my garage, or town, or even my vehicle, it is not as big of an issue.

I don't carry a pry bar every where I go (although I do have one in the trunk, as well as a special forces shovel that can dig and chop).

I don't always have a screw driver with me (although I some times have my leatherman with some simple tools).
 
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I think there may be some confusion as to the message I am trying to get across so I'll make it very simple.

A knife is made for cutting and stabbing. That is what it has been used for since the dawn of the cutting tool for man when they used sharp flint pieces to cut at animal flesh.


I wasn't talking about guys who get all upset because they can't understand why their mora broke when they tried to cut a car in half with it.:)

My point was that who are you, or who is anybody, to proclaim what ALL knives must be used for, and HOW they ALL should be used.

Not all knives are equal, nor are all knife users. Some knives can handle what you call abuse just fine. Not everyone carries a tool box on them at all times, but they may have a knife on them, and if that knife works for the task they need it to then what's the problem?

Sure some knives are delicate slicers, but many are plenty tough. So if someone wants to use it to throw, dig, pry, hammer, scrape, open a lid, cut open a can, or lash to the end of a big stick, then I say go for it. As long as they are aware of the aproximate strength of said knife. Realize that they do run some risk of dammage, but are perfectly capable of performing these tasks anyway....

Then why not? Maybe they needed to improvise, but then again maybe they just enjoy using their knives.
 
Hard Use, Yup, all the time :thumbup:
Battoning through some hardwood my blade flexed but came out straight as an arrow, gotta love INFI :thumbup::thumbup:
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I wasn't talking about guys who get all upset because they can't understand why their mora broke when they tried to cut a car in half with it.:)

My point was that who are you, or who is anybody, to proclaim what ALL knives must be used for, and HOW they ALL should be used.

Not all knives are equal, nor are all knife users. Some knives can handle what you call abuse just fine. Not everyone carries a tool box on them at all times, but they may have a knife on them, and if that knife works for the task they need it to then what's the problem?

Sure some knives are delicate slicers, but many are plenty tough. So if someone wants to use it to throw, dig, pry, hammer, scrape, open a lid, cut open a can, or lash to the end of a big stick, then I say go for it. As long as they are aware of the aproximate strength of said knife. Realize that they do run some risk of dammage, but are perfectly capable of performing these tasks anyway....

Then why not? Maybe they needed to improvise, but then again maybe they just enjoy using their knives.


I am a person who tries to help people when the seem to be in need of help. When I see someone doing something with a knife that could hurt them, I decide to intercede so that I don't have to watch someone lose use of their hand or have to drive someone to a hospital. I could turn a blind eye, but then what kind of person am I? If the person doesn't want to listen then that is their decision. Proper handling and safe use of tools, no matter what they are, is extremely important.

Perhaps if someone you knew, worked with, or even a friend or family member lost a limb or lost use of a part of their body because they took a shortcut or used the wrong tool for the job perhaps you would feel different.

Even primitive man understood that they needed different tools for different jobs. Between evolution and advances in technology I would figure that today's man would still understand the same prinicipal.

And again, I'm not talking about using your knife in a life or death situation.
 
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