Knife Bubble?

Absolutely. The most concerning thing is that the overwhelming majority of these knives being brought to market is that they are mostly cosmetic novelties rather than functional innovations. The market is being saturated with endless variations of what are cosmetically very different knives but, when viewed purely by function, are essentially the same dang knife. It's turning into a pocket jewelry thing more than pursuit of crafting a high performance practical tool. Pocket jewelry is fine, and has its place but I can't help but feel as if the direction of the industry as a whole is kind of setting false priorities. Just my feelings on it though.

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with carbon fiber, anodized titanium standoffs, bearing pivots and other such embellishments and they're often nice touches, but I think it's important to remember that they in no way improve the performance of a knife.
 
I mentioned this about a 6-9 months back. Seems that everyone nowadays is a knife designer and having a machine shop make their knives for them. I find it somewhat scary the way inflation hit the market here all at once. It's almost as if there was a 15-20% hike across the board in many brands, but not all. a few people have sent me PMs in the past couple months asking why their stuff isn't selling or how can they sell their stuff and be more successful in moving items they no longer want or need. The market is absolutely saturated with knives from every corner it seems. Premium materials and steels are becoming all too common and what once make some knives great has been made mundane. Quality has not gotten any better, it may in fact have dropped a little in some manufacturers.

:thumbup: agreed. Sad but it seems to be a reality.
 
ahh ya. My bad. Didn't read it close enough. You were basically telling us something we all already knew... so sorry.

And yet I've had long arguments about those exact features and what they actually add to a knife in terms of practical value. Sounds like you may want to brush up on your reading before casually making such general statements.
 
The most concerning thing is that the overwhelming majority of these knives being brought to market is that they are mostly cosmetic novelties rather than functional innovations. The market is being saturated with endless variations of what are cosmetically very different knives but, when viewed purely by function, are essentially the same dang knife. It's turning into a pocket jewelry thing more than pursuit of crafting a high performance practical tool. Pocket jewelry is fine, and has its place but I can't help but feel as if the direction of the industry as a whole is kind of setting false priorities. Just my feelings on it though.

There's nothing wrong with "cosmetic novelties" and it's great to have that extra flair if you so desire. As a matter of fact, I think it's a significant part of the industry.

Novelties in material including composites is a way to have lighter and tougher knives.

Functional novelties are usually met with skepticism if not outright derision. For instance, the recent LionSteel TRE and Zero Tolerance 0999 folders which won awards at the 2015 Blade Show were characterized by some as gimmicky but I look at them as innovative.
 
I enjoy having options such as "carbon fiber" and "anodized titanium stand offs" among others. And I'm happy to pay a little more to get it. The all to common black G10 and gray ti handles are fine but a little change up is more than welcome in my book even if the knife performs the same.

Variety is the spice of life.
 
I question the actual "bubble theory" Has there been any of this in the past? Were there knives that used to cost a lot, but are now cheaper to buy? I'm not up on the history , so maybe someone could chime in.

Cheers
 
I like my choices or options too. But there really are a lot of choices these days. Some one popped your bubble? :D Old saying, but it doesn't apply much. Just felt like adding it.
 
I like my choices or options too. But there really are a lot of choices these days. Some one popped your bubble? :D Old saying, but it doesn't apply much. Just felt like adding it.

Yes the options these days are vast. Good for us knife enthusiasts. My tastes are constantly evolving and thankfully there's a knife (or knives) to satisfy me every step of the way.

Do these "bubbles" always pop ? Or could this increase in variety , price and brands just keep going ?
 
I have noticed a real down turn in the market, especially higher priced production and custom knives, since just after the holidays.
It's been discussed a lot through PM's, and I have seen some of the frustration first hand....

It's just hard to sell anything right now, even at a huge discount (there are always brands/makers/specific knives that are an exception)

I think the knife hobby is like any other. For some it runs through their blood, for others, it's just a passing phase...

With this in mind, I think there will always be 'hot and cold' times.

It's been 'red hot' for a long time now, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise to see a cool down.
 
We're in a sort of over-designed tactical frame-lock folding knife fad era these days. It does affect me because i desire more classic, lightweight, and less bulky designs. I love frame locks and want them implemented in less over-designed knives. I hope the bubble bursts soon, if there really is one!
 
No bubble.

A knife is the oldest most useful everyday tool there is. Literally everyone could benefit from carrying one from time to time.

Is there a shoe bubble? A food bubble?
 
From my perspective, quality and materials have moved up faster than prices over the last several decades. Lately it does seem that the quality and materials advancements have slowed a bit while prices still seem to be moving up. There are a couple exceptions to this though, like the Spyderco Manix in S110V. I've been infatuated with shiny sharp things since grade school. I've always bought knives, I've always carried knives, but I never have collected knives. (At the most I've owned fifteen or so at a time)

I got my first Sebenza when it was one of the only framelock, and ATS-34 was the 'wonder steel'. Sold it when I could get 99% as good for less than half the price with a Spyderco sage 2. I think the thing that is driving the knife industry right now is collectors. Honestly, grandpa had all of three pocketknives that lasted him into his eighties, he used them more than I do, and they still work today. Mine have better materials, better fit and finish, and will honestly last with care well into the twenty second century. I don't really need the ten or so knives I have in my rotation. I enjoy seeing posts from people that have many hundreds of knives and talk about how they use them all. My grandfather used one of his knives more in a week than the collector of users will in his lifetime.

Look and you can easily see that most manufacturers cater to this market. I am a big Spyderco fan, great product, decent price. They don't cater to me and the three Spyderco knives I bought over the last six years. They are being successful in business by catering to the collector and making multiple variations of the same knife. (Sage line, Chaparral line, sprints, etc.) Look at the posts. Knife wheels of fifteen different variations of the Manix 2, twenty of the Para 2. With ebay and the internet, any fool with a credit card can try to be the next forum god. An amazing display of Military knives is much cheaper than a tricked out vette.

I don't hate the collectors, it's their money that has made great knives more affordable for me. I do think it is somewhat of a bubble and will burst eventually. Things happen in cycles. Many collectors will turn to something else, and the major manufacturers will have an overabundance of production without sales...or maybe not. I buy what I like. I was happy before I got my new Chaparral last week, I'll be happy if I never buy another new knife in my lifetime.

Grizz
 
I enjoy having options such as "carbon fiber" and "anodized titanium stand offs" among others. And I'm happy to pay a little more to get it. The all to common black G10 and gray ti handles are fine but a little change up is more than welcome in my book even if the knife performs the same.

Variety is the spice of life.

Honestly, I could do without the titanium as well, but I don't think nifty anodization and carbon fiber are bad, just that they don't make a knife any better except, maybe, aesthetically. I'd like to see more companies diversify through better grinds and cutting geometry. It's almost impossible to find modern folders with a blade less than 3mm thick and that's really kind of a shame. Chunky, tactical folders are honestly a lot of fun, and I dig them, but I'd love to see more companies concentrate more heavily on making a knife that cuts and cuts well.
 
Seems to be some expensive knives out there.
I seem to remember there always being some expensive knives out there.
Quality is great on some, not as great on others...seems to be the case for as long as I can remember.

Yes, some of the mid-tech knives are getting stupid expensive, but the good news is that the grab for cash has generated huge variety to choose from for people looking at those sorts of knives.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the "super overbuilt" trend die down a little. I like a tough-looking blade as much as anyone, but there are some makers (Direware and some Medfords, for example) that just seem to take it a little too far. I'd personally prefer to have things like the Benchmade Valet become more popular–small, pocketable blades with excellent materials.
 
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