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just curious what your opinion is of the knife destruction tests that were available on youtube... I always felt that they were not valid and proved little or nothing except that harder steel is more brittle than softer steel which most of us know already. Entertaining yes... but had little if any real value... just my opinion
 
It's an ecd folding knife, how could you ever destroy any knife performing menial edc cutting tasks?
It's not a pry bar, not a screwdriver, not a hammer, just a knife and that's it.
Maybe it's because I'm not a hard use knife guy , but i see no reason to worry about how strong a folding knife is or how strong it's locking mechanism is.
 
Hickory n steel said:
It's an ecd folding knife, how could you ever destroy any knife performing menial edc cutting tasks?
It's not a pry bar, not a screwdriver, not a hammer, just a knife and that's it.
Maybe it's because I'm not a hard use knife guy , but i see no reason to worry about how strong a folding knife is or how strong it's locking mechanism is.
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the knife destruction tests that i am referring to where all fixed blade knives not folders....
 
ti lock said:
just curious what your opinion is of the knife destruction tests that were available on youtube... I always felt that they were not valid and proved little or nothing except that harder steel is more brittle than softer steel which most of us know already. Entertaining yes... but had little if any real value... just my opinion
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I share your opinion.
 
ti lock said:
the knife destruction tests that i am referring to where all fixed blade knives not folders....
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Well that changes things a tiny bit, but not much.
A knife is still just a cutting tool, if I need to pry I'll use a pry bar, and if I need to chop or split I'll use a hatchet.
People need to stop worrying about how far they can get with the wrong tool for the job.

They always talk about " in a survival situation this and in a survival situation that " but if they can get themselves Into a survival situation with a fixed blade there's no reason other than stupidly that they wouldn't have a hatchet and other proper tools with them.
It's like setting out to fix a car with nothing more than a hammer and duct tape.
 
knarfeng said:
I share your opinion.
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I don't. A knife destruction test can show flaws in design and heat treat. But the knife maker should be the one doing it not us. Unfortunately most don't. For example look at Cold Steels trailmaster, recon scout line. They have square transitions, and hard use testing proved their failure point. I hope CS fixed the issue. Another example take two 1095 knives like RTAK's. One made by ESEE, one made by Livesay and one made by Ontario. They will all cut just fine, which will not tell you anything of the HT. A destruction test if done properly will tell you which is likely to have had the best HT and it will likely not have ever been the Ontario. Problem with destruction tests and why many on here are against them is that they get butt hurt when their favorites knives or brands start failing easily. So they make comments like "proves nothing", "what does it prove", "why would you do this when it is not a knife function". "tester is an idiot". I worked in aerospace for a bit and destruction testing of parts was in every industry. No Engineer would ever agree with not having destructive testing. You car is meant for driving, not hitting walls. Why do car companies drive cars into walls, barriers, etc. The answer is obvious. Destructive testing tells you a lot about what went into making the product.
 
Hickory n steel said:
Well that changes things a tiny bit, but not much.
A knife is still just a cutting tool, if I need to pry I'll use a pry bar, and if I need to chop or split I'll use a hatchet.
People need to stop worrying about how far they can get with the wrong tool for the job.

They always talk about " in a survival situation this and in a survival situation that " but if they can get themselves Into a survival situation with a fixed blade there's no reason other than stupidly that they wouldn't have a hatchet and other proper tools with them.
It's like setting out to fix a car with nothing more than a hammer and duct tape.
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I don't think people plan survival situations typically....airplane crashes, boat wrecks....car breaks down in the desert...or in a blizzard.....

car camping excursions yes.

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Hickory n steel said:
A knife is still just a cutting tool, if I need to pry I'll use a pry bar, and if I need to chop or split I'll use a hatchet.
People need to stop worrying about how far they can get with the wrong tool for the job.
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My opinion exactly, very well put! :thumbup:
 
I think when it's done right, destructive testing has some value in finding design flaws and making comparisons between models or steels, especially considering the extreme ways some knives and steels are marketed these days. If you're pushing your knives as the ultimate, indestructible apocalypse survival tool you shouldn't be surprised when someone expects you to back that up. Unfortunately most knife "testing" videos I've seen aren't done right. Instead of the tests being controlled, measurable, repeatable and relevant to the design purpose they usually tend to be just some dude breaking a knife. Kinda fun to watch sometimes, but not exactly following scientific method.
 
There already has been several threads on this subject and not to long ago, it would be nice if people actually did some searching before starting a new one
 
Superdave1 said:
I don't think people plan survival situations typically....airplane crashes, boat wrecks....car breaks down in the desert...or in a blizzard.....

car camping excursions yes.

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But how in any of these situations could you end up with a fixed blade on you ?
In any situation where you could possibly end up having a fixed blade knife on you, you will have been a situation where you had the ability to personally pack what is with you.
You can't have a fixed blade on a cruise ship or airplane, so that only leaves outdoors activities such as hunting or hiking and your car where you should keep gear.

Anyways I will just never get the whole destruction test thing as all I do with my knives is cut stuff.
 
I like BMs videos of them testing their locks. Much more valid than some guy out in the woods beating on things or a manufacturer breaking competitor's knives. Distruction test have their place when done correctly and the implication of them is understood. Entertainment videos are just that.
 
As far as I know, there is no industry standard destruction test for cutlery. Even if there was, I would find such a test between a Case Peanut, a Cold Steel American Lawman, and a Shun DM707 Classic Chef's Knife as useless as a standardised collision test between an ATV, a family sedan, and a tank.

-Brett
 
My favorites are the Russian guys on YT. No friggin idea what they are saying but it's awesome. Also, I had no idea I'd ever need to shave aluminum with my folder but they cover that of course.
 
Hickory n steel said:
But how in any of these situations could you end up with a fixed blade on you ?
In any situation where you could possibly end up having a fixed blade knife on you, you will have been a situation where you had the ability to personally pack what is with you.
You can't have a fixed blade on a cruise ship or airplane, so that only leaves outdoors activities such as hunting or hiking and your car where you should keep gear.

Anyways I will just never get the whole destruction test thing as all I do with my knives is cut stuff.
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Non commmercial travel...private planes and boats...and cars.






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