Knife Exchange Thoughts...

Rat Finkenstein said:
Oh well. I would just list Non-Busse knives along with any Busse I might list. I am not going to have my ability to occasionally sell my knives infringed just because some people don't like seeing that brand for sale. Paying members have the same right to post their knives where they will get equal attention regardless of brand names. If you are going to start cutting certain brands out, then make a separate forum for each brand and watch how hard it becomes to sell your knives.
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Rat,

If the owners/mods of BF implement a Busse/Rat for sale thread within the "Individual For Sale" area, why are you feeling infringed upon that you can't put your Busse's in the "Production" thread ?

Do you think that means less exposure ?? Jesus C, if you have your own thread I think that speaks highly of the brand to have its own thread and if members are too stupid & wonder where why all the Busse's are missing from production threads, well I'm not sure you'd want to deal with them in the first place.

Further, if you blatantly would list a cheap Gerber, then attach several Busse's and put them in the production for sale area with the name Busse in the heading, If I were a MOD I would simply move the thread.

From another perspective I also think that if everyday you went to "Production For Sale" and saw alot of members who were CRKT or Gerber crazies listing and swapping hundreds of $15.00 knives and the Busse's were on page 6 you would be really whining about loss of exposure

As we speak there are 14 Busse/Rat's out of 26 for sale on the 1st page...
 
K.V. Collucci said:
We also know that when a member has a knife for sale and they start a thread it will be bumped to page 3 in a matter of hours because of the multiple Busse knife sale threads.
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And:

K.V. Collucci said:
I posted a knife for sale a week ago. In a matter of minutes it was bumped to page 2 by multiple Busse knife sales. A rule is in effect in the Exchange that you cannot BTTT a knife more than once a day after it is posted. By the next morning my knife sale was on page 6!!! That is not right. Othe knife sales bumpe by thread of course but the main offenders were those selling Busse knives.
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This situation is one of the main reasons I supported creation of the "Buck for sale" forum. With all due respect to Mr. Finkenstein, I almost always browse the "for sale" area looking for a particular brand or model and it is tiresome to wade through pages of Busse threads to see the other listings of the last couple days (at the time I write this, out of 25 threads on the first page, 9 of them are for Busse). In hindsight, it might have been better overall to create a "Busse for sale forum" instead of Buck. At the very least, it seems quite unfair to force people to discount their knives for the privilege of a daily bump just to keep them from disappearing under the deluge of Busse's. Just MO. (And to be clear, I have no problem with Busse's or those that sell them. The sheer quantity and the impact it has is the only issue.)
 
I have no large problem with Busse/Swamp Rat having a separate for sale forum, however, speaking for myself I probably won't visit the other for sale area's and thereby buy something that I wasn't looking for. I imagine others will do the same and the main for sale forum will have less views then it does now. If that is what others want it is fine with me.

However, if a new Busse for sale forum is created I think it should be self moderating. Let the Busse forum members moderate the "chit/chat" and who needs to be "reminded" of the rules. I think there is way too many Infractions for silly stuff already (ie accidentally posting in the wrong forum) and I'd hate to see infractions occuring on the threads just because someone asked a question or the poster "bttt" it a few hours early. I think some of the mods love the "power" that they have and I have a feeling if infractions can be given for chit-chat(or other small issues) the traffic on this forum will slow. I know I have chosen not to post on certain forums because I dislike the way that the mods of those forums give "infractions" for every small thing they can find. A simple warning will usually suffice. So if a Busse for sale forum is created let the Busse forumites self moderate (within Sparks guidelines)

:D:D
 
Eric Isaacson said:
I have no large problem with Busse/Swamp Rat having a separate for sale forum, however, speaking for myself I probably won't visit the other for sale area's and thereby buy something that I wasn't looking for. I imagine others will do the same and the main for sale forum will have less views then it does now. If that is what others want it is fine with me.
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That seems silly to me, if you're a knife buyer/lover etc. why would you "not" click on "Production" for sale as well, if you really like Busse's/Rat's only. Do you look at menus in restaraunts that way, with tunnel vision ??

Happy Holidays
 
If we split it into two separate forums and you keep up with the posts in both of them, how will that be different from keeping up with the posts in the current single forum?

Would it be easier to click on another forum than to click on the next page of the forum you're in?
 
The only tunnel vision some people have is they cannot see past the brand of knife, and do not notice that the sellers are individuals with every right to sell equally, regardless of brands. Trying to say that a person cannot sell their knives where you will see them because you are not looking for that brand is utter nonsense.

You are no more important than anyone else.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
The only tunnel vision some people have is they cannot see past the brand of knife, and do not notice that the sellers are individuals with every right to sell equally, regardless of brands. Trying to say that a person cannot sell their knives where you will see them because you are not looking for that brand is utter nonsense.
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When "some people" see the same people selling the same brand of knife over, and over, and over again these members are not taking into consideration that the other members have every right to sell equally as well. Having their knife thread bumped to page 7 in a matter of hours because of BTTTing, multiple single knife for sale threads, continual chatter, and having to compete with Busse knives stealing the spotlight then how are they being given their equal right? No one saying they can't sell their knives but when Busse Knives show up for sale more often then other knives then it is time for a change and that change would be a Busse For Sale Only Forum. As a Busse fanboy you should like the idea of going to one forum to see what is for sale.

Busse fans are a breed apart. They sell one Busse to buy another newer model or to expand on their collection. The average viewer looking for a specific knife should not have to scroll through 2 pages of Busse knives to find what he is looking for.

There is a simple solution to resolve this...put it to a vote. Run a poll for a week in the Exchange Forum asking whether a Busse only FS forum would be welcomed. If the vote is yes then a simple solution has been found. If no, then a strict set of rules need to be implemented and adhered to regarding BTTTing, multiple single for sale threads, and chatter. This will apply to all users not just members selling Busse knives.
 
LRJ35A said:
From another perspective I also think that if everyday you went to "Production For Sale" and saw alot of members who were CRKT or Gerber crazies listing and swapping hundreds of $15.00 knives and the Busse's were on page 6 you would be really whining about loss of exposure
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Only from "your" perspective, which I do not share. I don't whine about what other members chose to sell. I guess that is the critical difference between "you" and "I". People should post more knives of all brands, IMO. What's stopping you?
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
So. . . you call me a derogatory name, and then tell me what I should think? :rolleyes:
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Oh please, fanboy is not deragatory. I'm a self admitted CRK & Spyderco fanboy. Read into it however you like but the fact remains that an issue needs a resolution.
 
Eric Isaacson said:
I have no large problem with Busse/Swamp Rat having a separate for sale forum, however, speaking for myself I probably won't visit the other for sale area's and thereby buy something that I wasn't looking for. I imagine others will do the same and the main for sale forum will have less views then it does now. If that is what others want it is fine with me.

However, if a new Busse for sale forum is created I think it should be self moderating. Let the Busse forum members moderate the "chit/chat" and who needs to be "reminded" of the rules. I think there is way too many Infractions for silly stuff already (ie accidentally posting in the wrong forum) and I'd hate to see infractions occuring on the threads just because someone asked a question or the poster "bttt" it a few hours early. I think some of the mods love the "power" that they have and I have a feeling if infractions can be given for chit-chat(or other small issues) the traffic on this forum will slow. I know I have chosen not to post on certain forums because I dislike the way that the mods of those forums give "infractions" for every small thing they can find. A simple warning will usually suffice. So if a Busse for sale forum is created let the Busse forumites self moderate (within Sparks guidelines)

:D:D
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Won't work. The Exchange forums have mods in place for a reason. if Busse wants its own FS foum, and wants to regulate it himself, then he needs to ask Spark to make is a sub forum off of the maim Busse forum. I don't want a sub forum in my area that we cannot moderate, and keep the riff raff and B.S. to a minumum.

If you have a complaint about certain mods 'abusing' their power, then speak up and address that issue, and call those mods to task, and actually ask them what is up. Emails of the mods are readily available. Use them.

Frankly, I'm tired of having to defend our actions. We are simply trying to keep this place running efficiently, and eliminate the superflurous B.S. If you have issues with abuse of power, then address it head on. Don't make generalized comments. The mods, as you know, spend a considerable amount of time making this place a good place to visit. Slamming those mods just makes their jobs that much more difficult.
 
What Mike said. Got a problem bring it up. This is not a place to sling mud in generalizations (we have W&C and the Cove for that.)

I think the exchange mods really do a great job so their thoughts on the matter carry a lot of weight in my mind. They know how to keep things running smoothly and fairly.
 
CODE 3 said:
Won't work. The Exchange forums have mods in place for a reason. if Busse wants its own FS foum, .
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Busse doesn't want it's own forum, you guys want to force Busse sales on another forum. If you want them on another forum let them moderate themselves, otherwise drop the issue.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
The only tunnel vision some people have is they cannot see past the brand of knife, and do not notice that the sellers are individuals with every right to sell equally, regardless of brands. Trying to say that a person cannot sell their knives where you will see them because you are not looking for that brand is utter nonsense.

You are no more important than anyone else.
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Rat,

Once again your taking my original post and attempting to turn this into a Busse vs all other knive issues of sellers. You think that having a Busse thread is taking away the sellers rights, when actually its giving them exclusivity to their own area, which is good in my opinion. My God, lighten up.


Eric Isaacson,

Did someone give you the steering wheel to what the collective group of Busse sellers want or thinks ??


In summation, I'm a relative newbie here, but I would think an adult group of knive-lovers here could get along and somehow discuss matters like this without turning it into major disagreeements.

Maybe in the future I'll not make postings regarding policies. It should be the owner and its mods that make the decisions anyway.

Happy Holidays
 
LRJ35A said:
Rat,

Once again your taking my original post and attempting to turn this into a Busse vs all other knive issues of sellers. You think that having a Busse thread is taking away the sellers rights, when actually its giving them exclusivity to their own area, which is good in my opinion. My God, lighten up.
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Overheard during the 1800's:

"lighten up, moving you to the reservation is not taking away your freedom, it simply gives you exclusivity to your own area, which is good in my opinion."
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Any disagreements aside, Merry Christmas to you and yours. :thumbup:

(or Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, non-denominational winter celebration, etc. . .)
 
Eric Isaacson said:
Busse doesn't want it's own forum, you guys want to force Busse sales on another forum. If you want them on another forum let them moderate themselves, otherwise drop the issue.
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I take it you are the whole voice of Busse? ;) Like I said earlier, take it to a vote. If the Busse mods want to moderate the forum then that should be acceptable.....as long as the same Exchange rules apply. ;) :)

Let's have Jerry weigh in on the issue. I would like to hear his opinion on the matter.

Rat,

Did you just equate the discussion we are having about a Busse For Sale Forum to the plight of the Native Americans? Now I've heard everything! Jeez. :rolleyes:
 
Let's try to keep some sense of proportion here.... As far as I can see nobody's ability to buy and sell knives is at stake; we're just trying to make it a little easier. If buyers can find what they want with fewer mouse clicks that will be a good thing for buyers and for sellers too.
 
K.V. Collucci said:
Rat,

Did you just equate the discussion we are having about a Busse For Sale Forum to the plight of the Native Americans? Now I've heard everything! Jeez. :rolleyes:
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Not even close, I put LRJ35A's comment in an extreme context to expose it's inherent flaw.
I have used literalism, but nobody wants to get it.

Forcing changes upon people is vastly different than letting them choose for themselves. If someone wants to have a forum for a certain brand of knife, they can request it, and if enough people want it, then they get it. (as with the Buck Forum) But, if someone wants to sell a Buck in the general forum, they will not get their post moved to the new Buck forum.

Nobody said "I don't want to see bucks for sale, so we should make anyone wanting to sell Bucks post them in another forum where we won't see them."

Equating the Buck Exchange forum to what a few people want to force on every other paying member of the forum is ridiculous, yet that is the example set forth in the argument. It is the difference between buying a house and being evicted.
 
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