Knife Exchange Thoughts...

Rat,

Ok, walk into McKnives Fast Food,

Theres 5 cash registers w/ 5 lines

1) Production Burgers
2) Custom Burgers
3) Automatic Burgers
4) Buck Burgers
5) Busse & Rat Burgers

You're trying to convince us that Busse Burger Buyers(BBB) that are Busse eaters want to go stand in the Production burger line and wait until for one to come along ??????????

As a Seller(Sellers in the BF Forums in this stance) you would rather advertise in a Production line.

Yes, I understand the semantics of a Busse being a "Production Knife", however you are pushing the limits of normal thinking. Do you ever bend or negotiate or give in to anyones elses thinking other than your own ???

Cheers & Suds
 
LRJ35A said:
Rat,

Ok, walk into McKnives Fast Food,

Theres 5 cash registers w/ 5 lines

1) Production Burgers
2) Custom Burgers
3) Automatic Burgers
4) Buck Burgers
5) Busse & Rat Burgers

You're trying to convince us that Busse Burger Buyers(BBB) that are Busse eaters want to go stand in the Production burger line and wait until for one to come along ??????????

As a Seller(Sellers in the BF Forums in this stance) you would rather advertise in a Production line.

Yes, I understand the semantics of a Busse being a "Production Knife", however you are pushing the limits of normal thinking. Do you ever bend or negotiate or give in to anyones elses thinking other than your own ???

Cheers & Suds
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I don't care what line anyone else would chose, and I will not be forced into any line.

I am not going to have someone tell me what is best for me, when they clearly do not have my best interests in mind. How is using common sense "pushing the limits of normal thinking?" that is a stretch.

If you are looking for a particular knife or brand of knife use the search engine or click and scan through the pages (as if that is difficult)

I look for good deals on knives, regardless of brand. I don't visit the Buck sales forum.
If you can't figure out why, compare the number of people browsing the Buck forum compared to the general forum. . . I just checked. . . 1 person in the Buck forum, VS 48 in the general forum. Almost 50 to 1. explain how 1/50th of the traffic helps me sell knives.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
I look for good deals on knives, regardless of brand. I don't visit the Buck sales forum.
If you can't figure out why, compare the number of people browsing the Buck forum compared to the general forum. . . I just checked. . . 1 person in the Buck forum, VS 48 in the general forum. Almost 50 to 1. explain how 1/50th of the traffic helps me sell knives.
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That mathematical analogy is bunk. You would first of all have to state you were mainly a Busse seller, and further there would have to be a Busse for sale thread along w/Buck and Production to see a qualified resulting statistic.

You are sure an independent fella as you keep referring to this feeling forced to do something issue.

Bucks are production knives, they(Buyers & Sellers) apparently don't want to be in the Production lineup.

Cheers
 
I'm with the math major there.

mixing busse's with unwashed production knives dilutes the busse pull, and it PIA's those who don't have busse's. I would think the busse sellers mafia would appreciate a separet space.
 
DaveH said:
I'm with the math major there.

mixing busse's with unwashed production knives dilutes the busse pull, and it PIA's those who don't have busse's. I would think the busse sellers mafia would appreciate a separet space.
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I don't understand what that is supposed to mean, except maybe you need to take your meds.
 
LRJ35A said:
That mathematical analogy is bunk. You would first of all have to state you were mainly a Busse seller, and further there would have to be a Busse for sale thread along w/Buck and Production to see a qualified resulting statistic.

You are sure an independent fella as you keep referring to this feeling forced to do something issue.

Bucks are production knives, they(Buyers & Sellers) apparently don't want to be in the Production lineup.

Cheers
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The obvious point is, that specialized subforums get only a fraction of the main forum's traffic.

You also are completely unaware of the process which the guys in the buck forum went through to get that forum. I will give you a clue: they had to get something like 40 gold members to vote for it, and it was a voluntary process. :rolleyes:
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
The obvious point is, that specialized subforums get only a fraction of the main forum's traffic.

You also are completely unaware of the process which the guys in the buck forum went through to get that forum. I will give you a clue: they had to get something like 40 gold members to vote for it, and it was a voluntary process. :rolleyes:
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Based off the knives for sale in the production area being usually 50% Busse, I'd bet big money that a Busse subforum would have giant ratio of viewers vs the Buck only forum.

As far as what it took a collective group of pro-Buck people to create their subforum has exactly zero significance to my original post and our current conversation.

I'm done trying to make my simple points, I don't have a thing against Busse's & Rats, someday I might even buy one, once the cult-like swapping subsides and the secondary market drops like a Nasdaq stock.

Merry Christmas & Cheers
 
While I previously posted that I thought a separate forum would be a good thing, I've changed my mind.

If someone new starts looking at the sale forums, originally for non-product X, and sees many threads about product X, it may well pique that persons interest enough to look into product X, and they may thereafter become a new customer for/of that product.

Had product X been segregated to its own unique forum, that person may never have thought to look into that product, and therefore a potentially new customer/fan/collector would be lost.

If a person collects a specific brand/style/whatever characteristic, and all things are listed together, given the search limitations, they will have to do some legwork to find that item/brand, but they would not be exposed to a product were it in the segregated product line.

The need to scroll pages, to me, appears to be just the nature of the limitations of the search function.

Perhaps changing it so that a search limitation of up to 30 or 60 or 90 days would alleviate the inability of it to return findings due to a huge number of hits. If it is searching the entire database, the number of hits on commonly used brand or madel names would be, and evidently are, overwhelming, and too numerous to post. A historical timeframe limit on the search might address/solve this. It could also be tiered so that the higher your membership level, the further back you could search.

I do feel that sale posts should be consolidated, not listed out in several posts, each relating solely to one item, when those several items could be listed in one post. To me, multiple listings on the same day are just space hogs.

I have seen many people (mea culpa here, but I'm getting better...) continuing to post "wow, good deal", "hey, he's a good guy", or "man, that's STILL here", which provides a bump contrary to the forum guidelines.

I know that AR15 has a 72-hour bump restriction, and threads are locked if it is violated.

Perhaps something like that would enable all sellers to have their posts viewable (on the first page or two) under a natural occurence/posting sequence state, without unnecessarily bumped posts moving non-bumped posts to subsequent pages.

Personally, I think the enforcement of the chit-chat related bumps, along with consolidated postings, would help the forums move to their natural state, and should be tested before a split off...

The search function changes might well help out too....

Carry on.
 
LRJ35A said:
Based off the knives for sale in the production area being usually 50% Busse, I'd bet big money that a Busse subforum would have giant ratio of viewers vs the Buck only forum.

As far as what it took a collective group of pro-Buck people to create their subforum has exactly zero significance to my original post and our current conversation.

I'm done trying to make my simple points, I don't have a thing against Busse's & Rats, someday I might even buy one, once the cult-like swapping subsides and the secondary market drops like a Nasdaq stock.

Merry Christmas & Cheers
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Yeah, ok. . . don't hold your breath.

It is apparent to anyone with the ability to comprehend that you do in fact have a "thing" against Busse's, or rather- the people who collect them and/or sell them.

LRJ35A said:
Why not start a new Sub Forum in the Knife Exchange; knives for sale individual. to include "Tactical Knives" along with the already Custom/Production/Automatics etc.
Would seem logical to me considering the vast amount of Busse, Swamp Rats, etc. that people are constantly flipping for sale to each other. I would guess there are more Busse transactions than the new Buck transactions in its new thread.

I buy a fair amount of knives on these forums(enjoy it) and get kinda tired of constantly scrolling down thru all of the wierd named Busse's looking for knives that are non-tactical.

Regards
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You are welcome to petition for a separate forum for a specific brand or type of knife you want to buy or sell. . . just get 40 or more Gold & above members to vote for it. . .

You seriously cannot see the difference between asking for a forum you want to use, and asking for one in which you want to banish the things you don't like?

Well said, thatmguy. . .
 
1st of all Merry Christmas, Rat.

I'm damn near bought a Busse last night :D :D
 
thatmguy said:
If someone new starts looking at the sale forums, originally for non-product X, and sees many threads about product X, it may well pique that persons interest enough to look into product X, and they may thereafter become a new customer for/of that product.

Had product X been segregated to its own unique forum, that person may never have thought to look into that product, and therefore a potentially new customer/fan/collector would be lost.

If a person collects a specific brand/style/whatever characteristic, and all things are listed together, given the search limitations, they will have to do some legwork to find that item/brand, but they would not be exposed to a product were it in the segregated product line.

I do feel that sale posts should be consolidated, not listed out in several posts, each relating solely to one item, when those several items could be listed in one post. To me, multiple listings on the same day are just space hogs.

I have seen many people (mea culpa here, but I'm getting better...) continuing to post "wow, good deal", "hey, he's a good guy", or "man, that's STILL here", which provides a bump contrary to the forum guidelines.

Personally, I think the enforcement of the chit-chat related bumps, along with consolidated postings, would help the forums move to their natural state, and should be tested before a split off...

The search function changes might well help out too...
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I agree with this, and Rat's previous posts to a certain point. There are more hits in the production knife forum, than in the Buck for sale forum, But I am going to guess that there are also more hits in the Busse discussion forum?
Anyway I was one that wanted the Buck only for sale thread, I like it,
I did not care to scroll through 7 pages of knives everyday to find the rare Zipper I eventually found and bought (thanks Guyon) :D, I dont care if they are Busse's or whatever that is a ton of knives! I agree with Rat that it should be a vote and then be Voluntary...
The point I disagree on ( I may be in the minority) Is that the traffic that is missed. I do not scroll through the sale threads looking for a possible good deal OR this- Quote ThatMguy- "If someone new starts looking at the sale forums, originally for non-product X, and sees many threads about product X, it may well pique that persons interest enough to look into product X, and they may thereafter become a new customer for/of that product." - I am only interested in Buck Knives, and dont know what A good deal would even be on a Busse, spyderco, gerber etc...etc... I am unfamiliar with them all...
ALL I check out is the buck sale forum and the wanted, Wanting to trade....
Just my .02... (maybe it aint even worth that :D)
Good luck gentlemen :D
 
On the one hand, I think this is a lousy idea. While I started as a guy looking for INFI, perusing the Exchange introduced me to Tom Krein, the Graham brothers, John Gonzalez/Dervish, J. Neilson, Terry Primos, etc. If it weren't for that exposure (e.g., it was just a Busse market), I wouldn't have made those connections. As it is, I have come to regard several of those guys as friends, perhaps even to a greater degree than the Busse crowd. I wouldn't want to cheat another newbie of that experience.

On the other hand, I will accept the greater consensus, but I do feel it needs to come from the grassroots rather than be imposed from above. The most recent example, as alluded to above, was the Buck forum, requested by the Buck community. Personally, I find that Balkanization/ghetto-ification ill suits this community.

On the gripping hand, I would LOVE to see people start getting dope slapped for the gratuitous "Attaboy" bumps. List it, buy it, ask a question, or shut up. Nothing else needs to be said. And for crying out loud, never ever negotiate offers in the forum. Take it to email or PM, please!

Rick - lover of knives, not just Busses
 
There has been a point raised that the amount of traffic in the Buck For Sale forum is much less than the main For Sale forum, usually as an implication that it limits exposure to potential buyers. What seems overlooked is the fact that yes there are fewer people perusing that forum at any one time but all of them are interested in Bucks, almost by definition. I don't think it's limiting at all. With regard to the main forum, who cares if more people are there if the vast majority aren't interested in what you're selling. I don't think this is such an abstract idea, take a look at modern marketing strategy: identify the most likely demographic for the product and find ways to target them specifically.

I wouldn't argue that a Busse only forum should be imposed on anyone. IMO the idea has enough merit that it should be at least considered. At some point wouldn't it make sense to propose it in the Busse forum so that all those most affected would have an opportunity to make their feelings known.
 
I read this thread and had a thought for the decision makers to consider. Would it help keep the number of pages down if once a knife has been sold, the thread is moved some kind of "sold archive", yet still accessible for viewing for those interested? Just a thought, don't really know how much extra work that would be. Of course that would mean only one knife listed in the thread.
 
I also agree with that.



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willyf1 said:
psychic readings is my nature,
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Apparently I'm psychic too. I had a vision that there was a SPAMMER afoot on the forums tonight. Whatdayaknow? I was right. Let's just say that Mr. willyf1's banning was...ah... "in the cards."
 
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