Knife for little sister

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My little sis is but 16 years old, and she told me she wants a knife for protection after having a kind of scary experience.

Fixed or folder? How big? What Manufacture?

I am looking to keep it pretty inexpensive and very cocealable and user friendly.

NO PINK HANDLES!!! My sis is tough and i don't want to offend her with cutesy crap.
 
Nothing says business like a push-dagger (check your local ordinances). Cold Steel makes some out of AUS-8 that are very practical and take a very sharp edge. It is hard to disarm someone with a push dagger and you get outstanding penetration.

For modest size and cost in a folder I kind of like the Junglee Marshall with the AUS-10 alloy blade. That alloy also gets wicked sharp like AUS-8, but is a bit tougher. I find it pretty easy to open with the stud. The blade has a nice pointy design. It's not built as tough as a Spyderco, but it offers a lot for the money.
 
It might be safer for her to take a self-defense class. I think her carrying a knife could be dangerous, in the event that it is taken away from her. Just something to think about.

~Mitch
 
Hi Stiletto Raggio,

Not knowing your sister or the circumstances makes this difficult. Perhaps a knife would not even be the best suggestion in this instance. Pepper Spray or Mace requires little training, physical strength, or agility. And she would be able to defend herself against an adult or even a group more effectively at safer distances. This without the chance for permanent injury, or worse, to either party.

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but no 16 year old girl (or boy) should need to feel compelled to to defend herself with a knife. I believe that, in this case, to provide a knife for the purpose of self defense would counterproductive, and could easily lead to tragic consequences for all involved.

There are may on this forum wiser than I. I hope they will respond, as well. May the decision you make be the best one.

No offense guys, I was writing while you posted.

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What if the Hokey-Pokey really is what it's all about?

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Hi,

Without awareness and self-defense training a knife will be of little help to your sister and probably get her into more difficulty. Help her find a martial arts dojo where she will feel comfortable with an instructor and style that fits her personality, etc.

Most instructors will let her try a work out for free and see how she likes the class and the upper level belts.

Brad

A dad who is teaching his children (1 boy and 2 girls).

I wonder if there is a way to call it the 4 R's: Reading, W'Riting, A'Rithmetic and ?anybody got an "R" title for Self-Defense?
 
Sheesh ... I swore off answering tactical questions in the general forum but I didn't swear a specific oath about this forum because there weren't any here and I'm having a very hard time keeping off the flamethrower trigger.... I'm going to try to compromise here ... I will say two things:

1. If you want informed answers to a question about self-defense post it in one of the tactical forums. (Although you could try posting it in the general forum or this one and doing the opposite of the advice you get.)

2. Anyone who seriously believes that nonsense should give a magic marker to any random teenage girl and see if you can take it away from her without getting marked before you go repeating fascist propaganda on the forums. Use a washable marker or every piece of clothing you're wearing will be ruined.

3. I teach women how to cut an attacker before he sees the knife. They can do it to me the first lesson; even though I know exactly what they're going to do I feel the rubber knife before I see it ... sorry. I said I was only going to say two things.



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I wonder how wild you'd have to be to have Cougar be your moderating influence. Thanks Cougar, you echoed my thoughts on feminine knife defense exactly. Too many attackers shrug off the pepper spray.
 
S.R.,I went throught the same choices with my little sister. The size and type of knife is dependant mostly on her and what she likes to wear,places she goes etc. My sis`s first real job was at a mall store with a boss that wouldn`t have tolerated a large knife (she used it at work to open boxes,cut off tags etc.). Her thin build also would have made it hard to conceal anything very large. We settled on OC spray attached to her keys,a turquoise Photon light and a Spyderco serrated Dragonfly for her "mall parking lot survival kit". I taught her a few simple moves that were always followed by "...then run like hell!!!". She made it throught her stint at the mall just fine,got a much better job in a better neighborhood,then a wreckless driver in a van crossed the centerline and killed her and her best friend a year ago next Sat.
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damn................ No matter what you do you can never be sure,still it doesn`t hurt to try. Marcus
 
I think you should get her an auto if she can handle it if not then go for one of those speed tech kershaw ones.......
 
Cougar,

With all due respect, all we have been told is that this 16 year old girl had a "kind of scary experience", and now wants a knife for self defense. If this experience was with a gang, I don't think your suggestion would be the same as if some bully knocked her off her bike. And if an adult is involved this should be handled in the courts.

We know that a 16 year old can cut someone with a knife. But that doesn't make it the best choice.

Lighten up, Dude!
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What if the Hokey-Pokey really is what it's all about?
 
Cougar,

I am puzzled about the "fascist propaganda" comment. I've read and re-read these posts and I still don't see it. What am I overlooking?

Thanks

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What if the Hokey-Pokey really is what it's all about?
 
My advice would be to get her on the Internet and let her look at some different styles. My experience with arming the women in my family is that if they don't like how it looks they won't take it with them. My choices would be Spyderco and Benchmade in folders (she probably won't have a good way to wear a fixed blade unless she is game for a neck knife). I started my daughter with a serrated Endura. She's being upgraded to her very own custom this week.
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I'm pretty sure the "propaganda" (though I wouldn't call it "fascist") is that you really shouldn't teach women how to fight to protect themselves--particularly you shouldn't teach them to use deadly weapons. The "party line" is that women are hopelessly timid and physically incompetant and they will just get disarmed and have the weapon used against them.

Get real guys, this is the next millenium. The schools are going for parity in sports programs. Plenty of women are getting athletic scholarships. Many of the women engineers I work with are seriously into sports and several routinely pump iron. I was real surprised when a couple of them went off and tried the biathlon last winter--you know, cross country skiing combined with target shooting.

With modest instruction, many women have both the self confidence and physical competance to be safe (or dangerous) with weapons. I would generally equip women with the same weapons as any lightly built man. I would not teach them defeatism (that they need special girls' weapons, because they'd just hurt themselves). In many situations the weapon of choice would be a firearm. If it fits the situation and a girl wants a knife--give her a knife! But be sure to do a little rubber knife sparring. Don't teach her to duel, teach her to cut and run.

Down with propaganda!

PS. I'm not a feminist, I'm not politically correct, I just don't like to see any group of people patronized and relegated to a dependent status. I like my women out of the Deep Space Nine pattern rather than the Barbie mold.
 
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Yep! I sure missed that one. Sometimes I just experience the blackhole effect. Infinite density at the speed of light.
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Thanks

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The fascists tell you they can't protect you unless you give up your rights. Convincing you of that would accomplish nothing unless they can also convince you that you (and your little sister) can't protect yourselves. To that end they tell ridiculous lies that could be exposed with a few minutes experimentation, but they fool many people because they believe anything they're told and never test it for themselves.

We're actually getting back to the topic of this forum (kind of). Test everything! If you never test it you can be fooled into believing anything. Everyone has access to magic markers and girls but if you don't test what you're told for yourself you'll never know what nonsense you believe. How many of us were fooled into believing stabbing through a car door shows a knife is particularly tough -- just because we had never tried it for ourselves? We all have knives and scrap yards nearby, but if some of us hadn't tried it we might never have found that penetrating a car door without damage is about as impressive as cutting warm butter without damage -- just about any knife on the market can do it, including some folders selling for less than $5.



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This post is not merely the author's opinions; it is the trrrrrruth. This post is intended to cause dissension and unrest and upset people, and ultimately drive them mad. Please do not misinterpret my intentions in posting this.
 
Spyderco harpy might be nice, small, not too expensive, and a wicked slash. Id get the steel one. A neck knife like the La Griff would be nice as well. But, depending on how she is *built*/dresses it might not work too well.
 
ooo good choice RLR, if the blood loss doesnt get them the <strike>lead</strike> graphite poisening will!!!
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and on further reflection, whether you get her a knife or not get her started in a good 'practical' martial art. You said shes tough eh? Im sure she will have a ball doing it then... I take some classes with a female friend and man, does she love kicking my ass
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The choice of knife is going to be affected by what she can carry legally. And judging by what I'm reading on Bernard Levine's compilation of state knife laws, there's not much she can't legally carry . . .

Fixed blades are better but you'll need to make sure to find one she can handle. I'm not too familiar with fixed blades though so I can't really help there. If you can't find a fixed blade she can handle easily, then go with a folder.

Next, you'll want a 2nd knife in case the arm that would go for the primary knife is restrained. Since this in theory would be used by her weaker arm, you might want to get a folder. There's a good deal of things I could recommend here simply cause there are a number of good choices. A Spyderco civilian or harpy or a Cold Steel Vaquero could deliver some nasty slashes and might be good choices. Axis locks have nice locks and would probably be good too. I definately recommend looking/posting in the tactics/training forum though.

A 3rd knife might not be a bad idea either. Backup weapons aren't too surprising but a second backup can be.

Next step is some training. Even a 12 year old can be very dangerous to an adult with a knife, but getting a better idea of how to use it wouldn't hurt. If there are any Filipino martial arts classes in the area then it'd be a good idea to have her enroll. The added benefit would be picking up some unarmed techniques to use in conjuction with the knife or without one if she can't reach it.

If you can't get more formal training, try picking up some instructional videos or books. A number of threads about this in the tactics section. And also have her learn a something for unarmed combat. While most self defense classes won't teach much that does much against a significantly stronger attacker, it's better than no training (generally, there are some "self-defense" or martial art classes that you'd be better without at all) if she can't reach a weapon. Hmmm . . . might also want to pick up a book on utilizing some of the body's pressure points in combat too, which could greatly enhance any unarmed combat training. Still, being able to use a knife is a better solution. Range can equal survival.

Oh, I wouldn't recommend any pepper sprays as a primary defense. An LEO that once talked to some of us in school told us a story about how he got a faceful of the stuff cause his colleagues tried using it while the wind was blowing. Maybe as something attached to her keys before trying to go into unarmed combat, but not much else.
 
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