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Knife of the Week_01_20 The Stockman

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I LOVE this knife of the week thread and have learnt a lot from the previous weeks threads and wanted to chime in with my favorite pattern.
The stockman seems to be one of the most collected, talked about and used slipjoint patterns certainly here at Bladeforums and judging by the number of production models available in the world at large.
Here's what I (think) I know. If I am wrong I stand corrected. The stockman was and is the traditional knife of the cattle rancher or cowboy or stockman. It has three blades: a clip blade for general use, sheepsfoot for leather and rope and a spey, as its name suggests for castrating or speying livestock. There are also versions where either the spey or sheepsfoot blade is substituted for a leather punch.
The original stockman knives, so I believe, were around 4 to 4 1/4" closed and quite a handful. However there are scaled down versions available more suitable for todays suit/khaki pockets from 2 1/2 closed all the way up to the 4 1/4" versions.
When I first became interested in slipjoints this pattern pulled me in like a magnet. At first, and I think still, the cowboy imagery grabbed me - the American cowboy out forging a life on the tough western frontier. In the middel of the prairie, cattle drive or out on the ranch he needed a knife that could handle anything and a knife he could depend on. To me this knife sums up the American spirit and is itself an American classic.
I have a modest collection of stockmen, most of which are collectors pieces but I carry them as users, for the same reason that the cowboy chose it as his companion - it can handle anything! Granted the tasks are different - at my desk I don't tend to do very much livestock castrating :D I usually don't carry a second or back up knife, don't feel like I have to!
OK fellas lets hear your opinions, anecdotes, feelings on the stockman. I would also like to include the cattle knife in this discussion as they are very closely related.
 
The stockman has to be my most favorite carrying and using multiblade pattern. What is known as a premium stockman (4 1/4" with sheepfoot, spay and clip) is a handfull of knife that can take what you reasonably ask of it. The purest collectors that I know will not give much attention if the bolsters are not squared off.

From what I have read, the pattern is an American one that ballooned in popularity in the 1870 to 1890 period (co-inciding with a western migration of workers and ranch hands)and is still going quite strong.

Not being a purest (except that a whittler should have split backsprings :D), it is interesting that so many other knives can point to the stockman for their origins.

Some of the names I have heard bantered about:
Premium Stockman.
Jr. Stockman.
Sowbelly stockman.
Small Stockman.
Medium Stockman.
and there are a few more.

Here is a shot of various Stockmans and off-shoots of the stockman pattern.
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The stockman is a great pattern. I carry a Cold Steel (for the Carbon V blades) pretty regularly. (My other favorite EDC type slipjoint would be the Congress pattern.)
 
Stockmans are great, my EDC for over 40 years, I use the sheepfoot the most as the straight blade is convenient and easy to sharpen, the clip is good for slicing or as a sharp point, the spey is kept extra sharp for detailed work (very nice if you know how to use the belly). A better combination of all-around blades would be hard to find on either a rural or urban setting. They are very popular for whittling. Many interesting comments on stockmans on other threads.
 
bastid
Great pic! I love the Marbles, just got one in buffalo horn myself.
Interesting comment about the squared bolsters, I had thought that as the stockman evolved from the cattle knife (all I have seen have rounded bolsters) it would be the other way round! Learning all the time here! The rounded bolsters seem to ride a little easier in the pocket.
 
The stockman is my favorite too. The feel of it, nesting 3 blades in a overall small frame/footprint. Plus, you have 3 choices of blades, depending on the chore.

These are usually nicely contoured and fit well in the grip.

They generally have to be built well for all 3 blades to work smoothly.

Nothing like a nice schrade walden stockman...(except maybe 2)
 
>"The purest collectors that I know will not give much attention if the bolsters are not squared off."

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:barf: I'm exactly the opposite. I greatly prefer rounded-off bolsters. Way easier in the pocket.
 
I also like the Stockman pattern. I find the blade combination able to handle most of my small cutting tasks. I am not a collector but I do appreciate the fine pictures others post for our viewing :D
 
I agree on the rounded bolsters. Just found that when I was dealing a few years ago, that the purest premium stockman collectors "thumbed their noses" at any stockamn with rounded bolsters. For working carry a stockman with rounded bolsters is tough to beat.
 
Also my favorite pattern. They make for a great edc. I prefer the squared off ends. So, what is the difference between the stockman and the cattle knife?
 
The Stockman is my favorite pattern. I do carry others from time to time but the three blade stockmen pattern is in my pocket most of the time. Right now a Buck 303 with jigged brown bone handles. The largest one I have is a Buck 307. It is about 4 1/4" long and is a stout pocketknife. Great pattern to use and collect. Enjoy the thread very much.
 
The stockman is my first slipjoint love. My newest in my small collection is the one that actually made me say "wow" when I first held it. It is the cattle king version from Queen. Currently Kenny Rowe has it, as he is making me some slipjoint cases among other things. I can't wait to get it back.
Bastid, that Marbles you posted is sweet!
I mostly have Queens and one by camillus. All see regular rotation because they are sheeple friendly, and I like having three blade options available. For some reason the cheapo carbon series Camillus gets grabbed the most... don't know why though. I really like that 1095 for a blade material though. Anybody else feel that a good working stockman should be 1095 or something similar?
my .02
Mongo
 
Originally posted by Mongo
Anybody else feel that a good working stockman should be 1095 or something similar?



Yep. Of the various stockman pattern knives I own, only one is stainless (a Schatt & Morgan with antique honey bone scales and ATS-34). I much prefer the carbon steel versions for use which is why I normally carry the Cold Steel with the Carbon V blades. (The Camillus (1095) and Case (Chrome Vanadium) are also candidates for carry.)
 
I'm with Mongo and Blues. I like 1095 or a similar carbon steel for blade steel on Stockmen or other small slipjoints...or large slipjoints, for that matter.

I have several Stockmans/Stockmen, whatever the plural is. But the two that see the most carrying are a Marbles large Stockman with with red jigged bone scales and a vintage Schrade-Walden eith brown jigged bone scales.

They take a wicked sharp edge and are extremely high-performance cutters the way I have them sharpened and profiled.
 
I like the Queen D2's also, but they need a lot of work out of the box. Once done though, they are pretty darn nice.
Blues... I'm glad you mentioned Case's Chrome Vanadium steel. Now what in the heck is that? I tend to avoid Case knives because of them using crappy stainless steel, and because of rumored QC probs with fit and finish. Now, if somebody can tell me positive things about "chrome vanadium" steel....
Back onto the subject of Queens, the last two I bought ended up having very respectable edges and geometry out of the box. One of them I gave to my brother to introduce him to the wonderful world of slipjoints, and the other I kept for myself. I only had to do very minimal sharpening of these two. My first two Queen stockmans... what a pain in the keister!
Hey, how about some pics here? Do we gotta drag Nifrand back from his moderator duties to share? Hey Bastid... give Gus a nudge to show some more pics. No, not of goats.
Mongo
 
Originally posted by Mongo
I like the Queen D2's also, but they need a lot of work out of the box. Once done though, they are pretty darn nice.
Blues... I'm glad you mentioned Case's Chrome Vanadium steel. Now what in the heck is that? I tend to avoid Case knives because of them using crappy stainless steel, and because of rumored QC probs with fit and finish. Now, if somebody can tell me positive things about "chrome vanadium" steel....
Back onto the subject of Queens, the last two I bought ended up having very respectable edges and geometry out of the box. One of them I gave to my brother to introduce him to the wonderful world of slipjoints, and the other I kept for myself. I only had to do very minimal sharpening of these two. My first two Queen stockmans... what a pain in the keister!
Hey, how about some pics here? Do we gotta drag Nifrand back from his moderator duties to share? Hey Bastid... give Gus a nudge to show some more pics. No, not of goats.
Mongo

Mongo, I have had good luck with the Queen D2's just a little sharpening and they were ready to go. However I only have 2 so maybe I was lucky. I have heard the Case CV is pretty hit and miss and I avoid them for mainly that reason. One of my Favorit carries is a Schrade OT, it fits my hand just right. The 1095 steel in them, and the large sheep's foot blade also helps.
 
I've read various descriptions of Case's Chrome Vanadium, so I'm not perfectly sure of its composition. I've heard that it's supposed to be like 1095. (Maybe Gus or somebody might be enable to enlighten us further.)

Truth be told, I don't care for it's quality as much as the Camillus or Cold Steel carbon steels.

(The best carbon steel on any of my slipjoints is the carbon steel on my old Remington R1123 Bullet Trapper from the 30's. Now that is some good steel.)
 
The stockman is a great knife. My first knife as a kid was an Uncle Henry Stockman. I don't have that one any longer. It is somewhere along the St. Joe River in Idaho.

I remember being pretty upset, but the pain was revieved somewhat by the Uncle Henry guarentee against loss. You just mailed the slip in and another came back in the mail.

Anyone else ever have to mail in "the ticket"?

I love the picture of the Marbles.

This knife of the week thread is going to cost me a bit of money, I see.....
 
Gotta agree with the 1095 sentiments. Out of all my slipjoints my most carries is a Mooremaker with yellow plastic scales and 1095!
I would like to get a Case as a user. I have heard their QC is improving but is still hit and miss. Not heard anything good about their steel except that it is easy to sharpen.
What brands do y'all collect/carry? I have a couple of Marbles which are kickass, a Schatt and Morgan and Queen but these are in my collectors case.
Before I started carrying my Mooremaker my EDC was Kissing Crane stockman which has awesome walk and talk and great fit and finish
 
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