Knife on the Bus!

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ludo410 said:
I've seen the same reaction a little north of you here in the Central Valley. I'm not sure why it is, but I get more looks when I have a black kydex/nylon sheath and "tactical"-looking handle than when I wear one of my leather sheath, wood handle knives on my belt. Same size, both just as sharp, but one seems to blend over the other. Nobody's ever approached me about it or mentioned it though.

People are strange.
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It's just the tactical presentation that's viewed poorly by society these days...The best example of that is the scary black rifle aka assault rifle according to the media...they are many traditional hunting rifles that fire a .223 or .308 That no one cares about, but remove the wooden stock add a put those calibers in an ar15 platform and suddenly it's a deadly scary weapon that fires super deadly rounds.
 
Bobby I think you touched on a good point- presentation.

Tactical, by nature, implies weapon. While one may take a tactical knife and use it for nothing more than cutting potatoes in the woods, it is still closer to being a weapon in the public eye than a simple tool knife, like a mora, similar to how an assault rifle is more threatening than, say, a lever action.

I doubt anyone here can honestly wonder why an all black tanto kabar, for instance, would get more wary glances than a buck 119. It's all about perception.

And to be fair, an AR is realistically a combat weapon more than a hunter's friend, and it's tough to argue that it's no different from a bolt action chambered for the same round. But that's a convoy for another day, as rifles are weapons, and knives (first and foremost) are tools.
 
I think most of society consists of cowardly sheep. They are so mesmerized by their false perception of reality presented to them by the media, pop culture and the like that anything at all that they encounter that challenges their paradigm results in them being shocked, afraid and essentially "struck stupid."

Instead of seeing a kydex sheath as a simple holder for a tool, they automatically react with fear, contempt, and for the truly brainwashed---panic.

Isn't that pathetic?
 
Is it as simple as gun/weapon vs. knife/tool?

The farmer who harvests his pigs may well shoot them in the head with a tool.
Hundreds of people are murdered each year with bladed weapons.

I respectfully suggest that intent is important. People around here hunt vermin with semi-automatic .223, 5.56, or 6.8 black rifles.
 
A black rifle is no more a combat rifle than semi auto hunting rifle... Features like collapsible stock or a fore grip don't change a rifles purpose.

Take 2 semi auto rifles in the same caliber, one with traditional wooden stock and detachable mag, and another in an ar platform with detachable mag, collapsible stock, and fore grip. What makes the second any deadlier than the first? Why is the first a good ole hunting rifle while the other is a deadly rifle only meant for combat? Will a rabbit care that the hunter used a weapon with collapsible stock to harvest him? Or would an enemy on the battle field object to being shot from a traditional hunting rifle?

the person behind the weapon is what dictates the rifles purpose, a terrorist with a lever action rifle isn't any less of a terrorist bc he isn't using a scary black rifle.

The farmer using a black rifle to protect his live stock from coyotes isn't any less of a farmer bc he isn't using a lever action.

Same applies to knives the guy using a tactical looking knife to slice his apple is no more a threat than the guy opening boxes with his buck knife.

The only real difference is perception and how things are categorized now a days. The sheeple are so brainwashed now a days that they believe that item a belongs in this safe category and is used by good people, while item b is in the dangerous category and is only used by evil, crazy, and deadly people. But at the end of the day they both can be used for the same tasks whether good or bad.
 
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you are quite right Bobby. people these days are so quick to believe what they're told. nobody knows how to think independently.

as far as black rifles are concerned, here in cuomo's dictatorship, they are banned because pistol grips are somehow evil. oh yeah, so are flash suppressors and mags bigger than 10 rounds. but you can buy a mini 30.

same round similar platforms, one is evil and one is not. as if you cant do exactly the same thing with both. here in ny we are thwarted rights-wise by retards like charles schumer and andrew cuomo...yet the sheep keep voting for the same people.

what sense do my states laws make? none. who do those laws supposedly keep safe? nobody. See, the dems and liberal crazies should have the guts to tell us the truth--they would love to ban all guns statewide. That is their goal. Realistic? Of course not; it's laughable but this goes to show you the sheeple mentality and the inability to think critically demonstrated by the vast majority of this piteous state.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Those who are knowledgeable do not draft anti laws.
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take a look at the ny safe act of 2013. the whole thing was an anti-law. Anti AR, anti pistol grips and flash suppressors, anti mags over 10 rounds.

Not to mention anti 2nd amendment--you know the part that says '...shall not be infringed...'? Granted it was written in ny democrat-moronspeak and used a lot of emotional trigger phrases like "military assault weapon," and "weapon of war" and "common sense gun reform legislation," but make no mistake, it was "anti" legislation at its finest.

These are what kind of rights-hating criminals we have in office here. It seems like besides me and the company I keep, no one else notices or cares. I mean subverting the law of the land through cleverly worded legalese crap seems like the worst example of an "anti law" there could be.

It's anti freedom but worst of all it's anti American and that must not be tolerated.
 
Guys lol I wasn't making some anti AR argument, simply stating that rifles are designed to be weapons, whether used on people or animal, they're weapons. Tools of certain trades sure, but weapons nonetheless. Which I only brought up because knives, by and large, are tools, with very few being dedicated weapons.

Just because something is a weapon, doesn't mean you're going to use it as one, I understand that. Intent is everything, it's what turns a book into a weapon or a karambit into a letter opener.

All that being said, yeah, a lot people don't use critical thinking and instead react to stimuli in the way they've been trained by society (aka sheeple), but knowing this, it is our responsibility as those who *do* think critically, to realize that just because someone's fear may not be based on anything other than media-fear mongering, it is still a fellow human, and they deserve the respect of not being looked down upon for a lack of education.

One last thing on the topic of rifles- to say that an AR is no deadlier than a lever is true for the first shot, it's the sustained fire capability that is of questionable usefulness outside of combat. Though if one wanted to make that argument, handguns are far more dangerous in that respect. I have nothing against AR's, and think they're neat and wouldn't blink of someone walked by me with one, except maybe to check it out. But people defend them like hunting rifles which is a bit silly, because they *were* designed for people killing, and despite time moving on, and them gaining other uses, it's hard to blame the perception of the public when they started out that way. They're unnecessary toys, which people have every right to enjoy and use responsibly. But to say they are equal to a bolt action or something just because they're both firearms is wrong- would you argue that an M2 browning is perfectly reasonable to have and that it would be unfair for someone to be afraid of it, simply because it is a great rifle that can be used very accurately at distance and you like target shooting?
 
And yes, while the person using the tactical knife to cut his apple isn't more of a threat than the guy with a buck cutting cardboard, you can see my point about how it's reasonable to perceive it more as a weapon, when it is designed as one.

Just because I can carve meat with a sword doesn't mean I can walk into someone's kitchen with it and get offended when they get nervous.

And anything I've said, if anyone finds it offensive, please feel free to let me know, I don't mean to, I simply enjoy good discussion, and looking at all sides of a debate. I say everything with the utmost respect for my fellow comversation-goers. :)
 
stabman said:
Yet you have no problem typing it... ;)

Maybe we're just not scared little sheep in Windsor; takes more than a couple of morons who got stabby to ruin it for everyone else. :thumbup:

Perfect example of not being scared:

"Katona said he tackled the woman and wrestled the knife away from her. She then ran off."

http://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/man-stabbed-on-a-city-bus
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Stabman, I came back to this because I felt bad about the spirit of my reply to your message. I was rude/snide and I apologise for that. But really, please look at the logic of your position. Your rebuttals of bus stabbings just reinforce my point. I believe that most individuals here practice rational carry practices so as not to incite fear in the public. If I insisted on carrying a large fixed blade on public transport, I would be portraying, in my view, a self centered attitude and a blatant disregard for public sentiment. Is it rational for the public to fear a stranger with a large easily accessible knife, in a tightly contained space with virtually no exits? Regardless of legality, an individual wouldn't defecate on public transport as it is publicly unacceptable. You see, my dilemma is that any individuals who do not instinctively see this scenario as disturbing, and potentially dangerous to the public, cannot have it explained to them. So what appears to me as instinctive common sense, is lost on those that do not have a similar social conscience. I have tried to put aside my ego by apologising for my rude initial reply, as this is what these differences of opinion usually devolve into. I try to see our hobby/interests in regard to these tools in a wider social context. You definitely have a right to your own view, and I am finished with this discussion.
 
upnorth said:
Stabman, I came back to this because I felt bad about the spirit of my reply to your message. I was rude/snide and I apologise for that.
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Canadians arguing, everyone. :)

In all seriousness, I think the best thing to do is slowly wither away at the culture of fear by showing people that responsible people who carry knives are nothing more than just that, and that a knife is just an object. I do this by always carrying where legal, being friendly and polite in general, and helping people through my actions to see that a knife doesn't always have to be viewed as a weapon.

I just bought my first mid tech, a lovely Companion fixed blade from Brian Evans. I intend to frequently carry it (with tact) and to report back on how it goes in this urban sludge pit.
 
Wasn't there a story out of Canada maybe 5 years ago where a guy on a long distance bus trip decided out of nowhere to cut another passenger's head off?
 
Thing is, refraining from a specific LEGAL activity or action because of what others might think or how you might be perceived leads to a society where FEAR creates social norms.

Combat the ignorance by educating ignorant , fearful people by showing them other wise through a benevolent demeanor while exercising your LEGAL right.

Your train of thought is a logic that inevitably leads to FEAR, not rational thought ruling social interactions. Ask your self what if 5 years from now basic folding knives are socially unacceptable because someone used a folder to commit a crime. Then ask your self what if PENCILS are frowned upon socially because it was used to stab people on a bus? Are people just to travel in the clothes on their back? ANYTHING CAN BE PERCEIVED AND USED AS A WEAPON.

At what point do you say wow, enough. Pencils , folders, fixed blades might be scary but people have been carrying them for hundreds of years and INTENT is more important than the object. It is impossible to remove ALL items that could be used to harm people. Don't you see that?

If you choose to promote actions based on fear instead of rational thought the only one i see who WON'T see their logic as flawed is YOU.
upnorth said:
Stabman, I came back to this because I felt bad about the spirit of my reply to your message. I was rude/snide and I apologise for that. But really, please look at the logic of your position. Your rebuttals of bus stabbings just reinforce my point. I believe that most individuals here practice rational carry practices so as not to incite fear in the public. If I insisted on carrying a large fixed blade on public transport, I would be portraying, in my view, a self centered attitude and a blatant disregard for public sentiment. Is it rational for the public to fear a stranger with a large easily accessible knife, in a tightly contained space with virtually no exits? Regardless of legality, an individual wouldn't defecate on public transport as it is publicly unacceptable. You see, my dilemma is that any individuals who do not instinctively see this scenario as disturbing, and potentially dangerous to the public, cannot have it explained to them. So what appears to me as instinctive common sense, is lost on those that do not have a similar social conscience. I have tried to put aside my ego by apologising for my rude initial reply, as this is what these differences of opinion usually devolve into. I try to see our hobby/interests in regard to these tools in a wider social context. You definitely have a right to your own view, and I am finished with this discussion.
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My EDC fixed blades (and I really mean EVERYDAY) when I leave the farm and go into "any city" are a pair of Kabar shorties. The all black "tactical looking" models. I have them in stacked leather as well, but I choose to carry the black ones simply because they are black. My typical EDC clothing (when not blue jeans) are black dress pants and generally dark (forest green, black, dark blue) shirts. That way the knives do NOT show off as well. They are obviously visible to any one who really looks but they just don't jump out at people.

Now many people say my sense of humor is warped. My niece has gone as far as to say "Uncle Wayne, your sense of humor is so warped it makes a pretzel look straight". She was 13 at the time.

I have had people in public ask me "Is that legal?" "Are those legal?" and other similar questions. Normally, I just say "Yep." and if they inquire further, proceed to educate them about Texas knife law.

Back to my humor - I have toyed around with the idea of painting a couple of Kabars pink and making up some pink sheaths because {sarcasm alert :D} "black is so scary and deadly and pink is so warm and cuddly." And then let people ask why I'm carrying pink knives. Then my reply could be "because idiots think black is dangerous."

Now if I was really weird, I'd paint an AR pink.

Now where's that can of pink spray paint? :D:D:D
 
shinyedges said:
Thing is, refraining from a specific LEGAL activity or action because of what others might think or how you might be perceived leads to a society where FEAR creates social norms.

Combat the ignorance by educating ignorant , fearful people by showing them other wise through a benevolent demeanor while exercising your LEGAL right.

Your train of thought is a logic that inevitably leads to FEAR, not rational thought ruling social interactions. Ask your self what if 5 years from now basic folding knives are socially unacceptable because someone used a folder to commit a crime. Then ask your self what if PENCILS are frowned upon socially because it was used to stab people on a bus? Are people just to travel in the clothes on their back? ANYTHING CAN BE PERCEIVED AND USED AS A WEAPON.

At what point do you say wow, enough. Pencils , folders, fixed blades might be scary but people have been carrying them for hundreds of years and INTENT is more important than the object. It is impossible to remove ALL items that could be used to harm people. Don't you see that?

If you choose to promote actions based on fear instead of rational thought the only one i see who WON'T see their logic as flawed is YOU.
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Some very good points ^.

I'll put it this way- The fears of others might dictate their actions, but I won't let the fears of others dictate my actions.

Furthermore, I see a big difference between having a "social conscience", and outright conformity and submission to the irrational fears of others. To indulge and capitulate to the irrational fears of others does not benefit them, or society, and it certainly does not benefit me. To deny ones self a lawful right that one wishes to exercise for fear that it might upset others is the very death of freedom.

I am polite, courteous, and treat everyone I encounter with the same level of basic respect. But I'm not going to live my life based on what may or may not cause other people to become fearful. Heck, a lot of people are afraid of leather-clad bikers. Some might have a panic attack if they find themselves trapped in a confined space with one (like an elevator). But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop riding motorcycles and wearing leather.

Instead, I smile at people, I engage people in a friendly manner, and I don't do anything to cause anyone to have any rational reason to be afraid of me. And in all the years of openly carrying my "big, black, evil" fixed-blade, not a single person has ever freaked, or had a heart attack, or called the police after seeing my knife, or seeing me take it out to cut something (pictured below is what they see, minus my disarmingly handsome face).

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zzyzzogeton said:
My EDC fixed blades (and I really mean EVERYDAY) when I leave the farm and go into "any city" are a pair of Kabar shorties. The all black "tactical looking" models. I have them in stacked leather as well, but I choose to carry the black ones simply because they are black. My typical EDC clothing (when not blue jeans) are black dress pants and generally dark (forest green, black, dark blue) shirts. That way the knives do NOT show off as well. They are obviously visible to any one who really looks but they just don't jump out at people.

Now many people say my sense of humor is warped. My niece has gone as far as to say "Uncle Wayne, your sense of humor is so warped it makes a pretzel look straight". She was 13 at the time.

I have had people in public ask me "Is that legal?" "Are those legal?" and other similar questions. Normally, I just say "Yep." and if they inquire further, proceed to educate them about Texas knife law.

Back to my humor - I have toyed around with the idea of painting a couple of Kabars pink and making up some pink sheaths because {sarcasm alert :D} "black is so scary and deadly and pink is so warm and cuddly." And then let people ask why I'm carrying pink knives. Then my reply could be "because idiots think black is dangerous."

Now if I was really weird, I'd paint an AR pink.

Now where's that can of pink spray paint? :D:D:D
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You sir, are a totally twisted individual. I like that. :D :thumbup:

I just had this idea (in regards to people commenting on the legality of ones knife), get business cards printed with the local knife laws, including statute numbers and the web address of the states/counties/cities official website where those laws can be found and verified by anyone with a computer and internet access. Just a way to spread the good word about what is legal.
 
killgar said:
Some very good points ^.

I'll put it this way- The fears of others might dictate their actions, but I won't let the fears of others dictate my actions.

Furthermore, I see a big difference between having a "social conscience", and outright conformity and submission to the irrational fears of others. To indulge and capitulate to the irrational fears of others does not benefit them, or society, and it certainly does not benefit me. To deny ones self a lawful right that one wishes to exercise for fear that it might upset others is the very death of freedom.

I am polite, courteous, and treat everyone I encounter with the same level of basic respect. But I'm not going to live my life based on what may or may not cause other people to become fearful. Heck, a lot of people are afraid of leather-clad bikers. Some might have a panic attack if they find themselves trapped in a confined space with one (like an elevator). But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop riding motorcycles and wearing leather.

Instead, I smile at people, I engage people in a friendly manner, and I don't do anything to cause anyone to have any rational reason to be afraid of me. And in all the years of openly carrying my "big, black, evil" fixed-blade, not a single person has ever freaked, or had a heart attack, or called the police after seeing my knife, or seeing me take it out to cut something (pictured below is what they see, minus my disarmingly handsome face).

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Very well said. If they don't see the person as a threat, and as long as you're not carrying a potential threatening looking knife just to be provocative, you will be fine. It's all about respect.
 
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