Knife Purveyor, Buyer Beware

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I am a custom knife maker. I feel like it is my responsibility to operate with enough integrity that if you give me money for a knife, I will hand you a knife. If I don’t hand it to you, it is my responsibility to have someone else hand it to you. Earlier this year I had a knife lost in the mail. I did not fulfill my responsibility so I made another knife and made sure the customer got what he bought from me. That is my job, to operate with integrity and do right by my customers.

I tell this story to preface my experience with Knife Purveyor, who does not operate with the same level of integrity, I would say zero integrity. I ordered a knife from them on Monday. I paid $30 for Fed Ex two day shipping. It should have arrived Wednesday. It did not. There was a confirmation photo of my package sitting on someone else’s porch, but not mine. The person that Knife Purveyor contracted to hand me my knife failed in their task. I caught this within minutes and called Fed Ex. I was told “walk around and see if you can find it and if not, have the seller open a claim.” This was completely unacceptable.

When ordering from Knife Purveyor, you have an opportunity to pay extra for signature required. To me, it is my responsibility to have a secure delivery area for when the package is delivered, if not secure and someone may take it, then I should pay for that feature. I knew I would be home and I was, two minutes after it said it was delivered I opened the door. I did not pay for sig delivery because I knew I would be there and there would not be a problem with theft.

I guess I should have thought that decision out as a person with zero integrity would operate and paid extra. Instead, I entrusted my purchase to someone that has no care about customer satisfaction and chooses an agent to deliver the product that just hands it to anyone they see.

I brought this to their attention immediately. While friendly people on the phone, they are unhelpful and have no desire to do the right thing. They blamed me for not choosing signature required. If they would have said on the site “we will use any loophole we can to blame someone else for the problem” then I would have checked that box and paid, or not have done business with them at all. I lose here because I didn’t fully understand the type of person I was dealing with.

I told him he could get $100 basic insurance from Fed Ex and he shouldn’t have to pay the $30 Fed Ex fee so refund that to me. I am still out $75 but I got something back.

If doing business with this person after reading this, then I wish you luck. Just remember, when dealing with Knife Purveyor, operate from a position of “Buyer Beware” and do everything in your power to protect yourself, because they don’t care about you.

Added after initial review: Another interesting sign of their lack of integrity is their Company Policies tab was updated today so it appears I was in the wrong.
 
If you paid by credit card, I would initiate a charge back...and list all of the above as the reason why you are out the money.
There is no shame in holding their feet to the fire.
 
They changed the policy on their website today. It now says they are responsible only until it leaves their shop. Luckily, archive.org saves the old pages and below is their policy prior to today.

I don't care about the money now, I want this dude's reputation destroyed.

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He's not the first dealer I've come across who was less than honest and honorable when it came to a sale. (In my case it was an item valued at several hundred dollars at the time.)
 
Very unfortunate. It has always been the seller's responsibility to get the product to the buyer, just as it's the buyer's responsibility to get the product back to the seller if it is going to be returned. It's also BS to change the policy to bolster his case after things go awry.

Anyway, here is their "new" policy:

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Very unfortunate. It has always been the seller's responsibility to get the product to the buyer, just as it's the buyer's responsibility to get the product back to the seller if it is going to be returned. It's also BS to change the policy to bolster his case after things go awry.

Anyway, here is their "new" policy:

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Yep, they changed it yesterday after my issue with them. This company is trash.
 
Oh that’s shady. Unfortunately their new terms of service won’t hold any water either. That’s not how the contract between a buyer and seller works when money is exchanged for guaranteed goods.
 
On a related note- There should be an especially hot place in hell for people who mistakenly receive packages, and keep them rather than returning them to the carrier.

For a person to keep a package that they know isn't theirs is a real scumbag move.

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Hi, I am the owner of KnifePurveyor. For over 24 years, Knife Purveyor has operated with absolute honesty.

I do not take accusations against my integrity lightly, especially when they are used to mask a refusal to take personal responsibility.

I take your claims of "zero integrity" seriously and must provide the facts for the public record:

You Consciously Accepted the Risk:
You admit in your review that you were offered a signature requirement and insurance options and declined them both.


For a total of $6.50, your $205 order would have been fully protected. Instead, you explicitly selected the checkout option to ship "at your own risk."

Documented Delivery:
FedEx tracking #396734536084 shows a status of "Delivered."

The confirmation photo provided by the carrier matches the package we photographed at our location before pickup.


It is unreasonable to expect a business to be liable for a shipment once the carrier marks it as delivered with photographic proof.


Good Faith vs. Entitlement:
Despite having zero financial liability for a confirmed delivery, our team spent hours during the holiday rush working to assist you.

I refunded $146.63 of your $205 payment to mitigate your loss—an effort you acknowledged by stating you "got something back."

Abuse and Threats:
This review is an attempt to follow through on the smear campaign you threatened me with during our phone conversation.

Furthermore, I will not be intimidated by the phone call where you cursed me out and threatened to "punch me in the face" at the Blade Show in Atlanta.

The Facts on Policy:
Our policy has always terminated liability upon delivery.

Archive records confirm this; the recent update was for clarity, not a change in terms.

At this point, you have offered your review and we have offered our response.

I am proud and willing to let the knife community decide for themselves who, in this case, has acted with integrity.

Furthermore, I am happy to share/post screenshots of your and my texts to be shared with the knife world, business world and any other groups that you or I are a part of to be seen. I am happy to be judged by my words and actions.

To address the timing of the change to our company policies:
Our original policy wasn’t wrong—it has served our customers perfectly for many years.

I am proud of that track record, including a near-perfect 5.0 rating across 210+ Google reviews.

However, I believe 'great' can always become 'better.' I simply saw a way to describe our standards with more clarity.

It is important to note that the section regarding the buyer’s right to choose (or refuse) insurance and a signature is exactly the same today as it was the day this order was placed.

Those terms have not changed.

Our policy has always been clear:
If a buyer declines coverage, they assume the risk once the carrier (like FedEx) confirms delivery to the provided address by showing a delivered status on the tracking number.

I didn't change the rules; i just sharpened the wording to make them foolproof for the future.

This update was never used against the original purchaser—it’s simply a better tool for a long time to come.

With full clarity provided, I’m choosing to focus on the 99% of what makes this business great—our amazing customers and the craft we love. I look forward to moving forward on that positive note.
 
I have no idea where the truth lies in this deal ... probably somewhere in the middle. But I do have to ask why any seller tries to have a buyer purchase shipping insurance? Unless I'm completely mistaken a seller is responsible to see the product makes it safely to the buyer and if it does not the seller is the one that needs to file the insurance and sort it out.

So sellers trying to bypass their responsibility by typing a response that if the buyer wants insurance they have to pay ... yada yada yada ... just doesn't hold much water.

Now this example it appears the package was delivered, but to the wrong address. That is on the carrier not the buyer or seller ... but the seller who is responsible to see it the products is delivered to the buyer has to be the one to open a claim and fight for compensation.

Now if both the buyer and seller would work together to prove the picture shows the wrong delivery address you might just get a refund and both be made whole. But again anger and finger pointing rule the day instead of adult conversation to work the problem.

Grow up talk to each other and figure out what is needed to get the claim in your favor and maybe you'll both have a better day.

You can be mad and petty and both lose or you can act like adults take responsibility and work together to fix the problem that has already happened ... or create a bigger problem and no one wins.
 
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Good morning . I do not know if the current owner of Knifepurveyor is the same ,but I knew the owner years . I would say if it is still Michael,there is no thief or wrong guy to deal with here . He has been in the business for years and is well respected

Now I'll add . I am a knife purveyor of sorts ,myself .

Loss in shipping & also returns ,are really our concerns . We do not want this

The buyer is definitely the customer & the boss . But also has some responsibility in the deal.

After reading what Knife purveyor has to say , I will say this . I know a few dealers who do not purchase dealer memberships here any longer ,because things can go wrong. But before time & participation takes place ,many times a buyer comes here and starts a negative thread . So a smart business man may say ,I paid here ,only for what ? To be attacked publicly as I try to work things out ?

Anyhow , many times a buyer will not read all the small print in regards to their purchase . It is important as a buyer to do this & participate . Using common sense of course
I can't say what correspondences took place for this deal. But this GB&U should be only as a last resort

In this case $6 or so insurance on a $200 order ,roughly . Geez , you'd think this shipment gone wrong would have not gone to a point where this thread actually exists

When you purchase stuff on line ,get involved . It is your only purchase but not the only purchase that the seller is dealing with . Carriers are under pressure this time of year as well.

I hope you guys work this all out ,not the time of year to be doing this sort of thing

I sold a knife yesterday and asked if the buyer needed it for a gift or needed it ASAP . Since not ,I'll wait to ship , and this was discussed & agreed upon.

Yes my post is a ramble of sorts but KnifePurveyor is a stand up outfit & I hope they get this sorted out . Seems like a very smallorder for them as I know they carry some high end cutlery of all types .
I can't say anything about the buyer or what really went down but it seems it can easily be worked out

Merry christmas ,Happy Holidays ,Happy & safe New Year . Blues can shut it down now Thank You All
 
He spins a good story. Below is the policy from his site the day of the order. The first pic is the section that matters, second is the entire policy.

He changed it after the issue. Please read the entire thing and decide for yourself.

In a nutshell:

A. I ordered knife
B. He shipped knife
C. FedEx delivered to wrong address
D. FedEx closed case, we both know FedEx didn’t deliver
E. I asked for refund
F. He changed his policy and refused

Pretty simple. IMG_7824.jpegIMG_7813.jpeg
 
A. I ordered knife
B. He shipped knife
C. FedEx delivered to wrong address
D. FedEx closed case, we both know FedEx didn’t deliver
E. I asked for refund
F. He changed his policy and refused

Pretty simple.

NCBuckeye: Well it's NOT that simple. You omitted a key part of the transaction.

From Michael Donato:

Good Faith vs. Entitlement:
I refunded $146.63 of your $205 payment to mitigate your loss—an effort you acknowledged by stating you "got something back."

You need to persue fedex further?

It's a bad situation by every measure: For both parties, yet there isn't ONE CLEAR SIMPLE malefactor.

Another acknowledgment for Knife Purveyor for years of satisfying clients.

I AM sorry this happened, yet you had involvement on this matter, too.

Coop
 
NCBuckeye: Well it's NOT that simple. You omitted a key part of the transaction.

From Michael Donato:

Good Faith vs. Entitlement:
I refunded $146.63 of your $205 payment to mitigate your loss—an effort you acknowledged by stating you "got something back."

You need to persue fedex further?

It's a bad situation by every measure: For both parties, yet there isn't ONE CLEAR SIMPLE malefactor.

Another acknowledgment for Knife Purveyor for years of satisfying clients.

I AM sorry this happened, yet you had involvement on this matter, too.

Coop
All of that occurred before it was printed out to me he changed his policy. Once I found that out things changed.

Like 99% of the people on the planet, I didn’t read the fine details, I was going by what he said because, as I stated above, I go into every transaction thinking the other party operates with honesty and integrity.

After I found out how this acumbag operates, I decided to forget about my money, I just want people to know.

And, I asked for a refund. He said no. Lied about this policy, then changed it. Until I know it was changed, I was happy getting anything back.

So no, I’m not culpable in the least.
 
I’m not sure why the seller/shipping obligations are regularly conflated with the purchaser bearing responsibility. My somewhat anecdotal experience I can add when I had an expensive medical device mis-delivered, although did get the ND states attorney involved for advice, and I imagine would be the same in all 50 states is as such:

The seller/business is hiring a shipping carrier as an agent working on their behalf to deliver goods as agreed upon by a contract entered into between them and the purchaser with the exchange of money for goods.

Insurance, signature required etc are all decisions made by the seller/shipper. The only decision involved with the buyer is the level of service and fee for the shipping involved. Insurance protects the seller, and claims for loss can ONLY be initiated by the seller who entered into the agreement with their shipping agent. Signature confirmation is also at the discretion of the SHIPPER.

Lost, stolen(in transit) or in this case mis-delivered packages are all instances of the seller not fulfilling their obligation to deliver the goods as agreed upon.

In this instance a package marked “delivered” by the sellers shipping agent but verified not to the original party who entered into the purchase agreement is still unreceived goods and the contract is not complete. The seller must take it up with their shipping agent and rectify the situation and make the buyer whole.

The TLDR is mis-delivered goods are “undelivered” and the seller is responsible for getting the item to the buyer or refunding them in whole.

This is my experience when an $8k insulin pump was delivered to the wrong address and the medical device company tried to stonewall me and tell me it was my responsibility to take it up with UPS and track it down or seek compensation. Once the North Dakota AG office got involved with some teeth behind it, the situation was remedied quickly.
 
The OP got a refund Blues Blues shut r down please. Change the thread title too , as far as I’m concerned .
At the end of the day, Knife purveyors who sell handmade items, sometimes they are one of a kind.
We are not Amazon. Sometimes things happen.
In this case, it seems that the buyer was refunded and now there’s all of this negative chatter associated with this company‘s name on the Internet.
The buyer was PARTIALLY refunded. And in my opinion, insurance is on the seller/dealer.

Bugs me when companies try to download the insurance onto the customer. BAD business.
 
The OP got a refund Blues Blues shut r down please. Change the thread title too , as far as I’m concerned .
At the end of the day, Knife purveyors who sell handmade items, sometimes they are one of a kind.
We are not Amazon. Sometimes things happen.
In this case, it seems that the buyer was refunded and now there’s all of this negative chatter associated with this company‘s name on the Internet.
And since you seem to be so adamant that KP is a stand up company…well, I have a story for you.

I purchased a knife that had a completely mirror finish. I spoke with M on the phone and was guaranteed that everything was mint. Couldn’t be better.

This knife was shipping to Canada and worth over $1200USD. I specifically had the phone call to make sure that everything was kosher, because I was about to pay $500-$800CAD in duties and taxes when it crossed through customs. I was assured that it was perfect.

Well, when I got it, it had small pitting spots all over the mirror finished blade. Looked like someone had sneezed on it and let it sit there for years. And not a couple…a bunch.

What was I offered? A full refund? $100 off the purchase with photo proof. 🤦‍♂️

So I kept the knife, because there was no way that I was gonna loose $600CAD for duties that I paid for for a “full refund.”

I have not made a purchase since.
 
I think when you purchase items on the Internet, you need to read the companies policies and if you don’t understand why they are the way they are inquire before you purchase
 
I think when you purchase items on the Internet, you need to read the companies policies and if you don’t understand why they are the way they are inquire before you purchase
I think that companies should have integrity and not hide behind policies and fine print.
 
And since you seem to be so adamant that KP is a stand up company…well, I have a story for you.

I purchased a knife that had a completely mirror finish. I spoke with M on the phone and was guaranteed that everything was mint. Couldn’t be better.

This knife was shipping to Canada and worth over $1200USD. I specifically had the phone call to make sure that everything was kosher, because I was about to pay $500-$800CAD in duties and taxes when it crossed through customs. I was assured that it was perfect.

Well, when I got it, it had small pitting spots all over the mirror finished blade. Looked like someone had sneezed on it and let it sit there for years. And not a couple…a bunch.

What was I offered? A full refund? $100 off the purchase with photo proof. 🤦‍♂️

So I kept the knife, because there was no way that I was gonna loose $600CAD for duties that I paid for for a “full refund.”

I have not made a purchase since.

I wouldn’t either if this is true , if I were you
 
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