Knifemaker makes judgement on knifemaker based on age

The post below was made by Kit Carson (in reference to me) to Steve B. on the Good Bad and Ugly forum. I interpret to mean that he has a problem with me (and anyone else for that matter) that was born after 1972. I don't judge anyone based on there age, and I don't feel I should be either. What do you think?

Originally posted by Kit Carson:
For all you guys that just come in to post, yep, it's still going. Mostly cause we are replying to you. Simple, I ask a question, you answer. You ask a question, I answer. That's the way it works.
Make a note in your DayTimer. Why come back?

SteveB, this issue has been discussed, face to face, between the three of us. It will probably be discussed again at our next annual meeting. You simply don't have a clue. With only about 1% of knowledge that you have on this subject, why don't you just walk away. It doesn't concern you.

What concerns me is a person who was about 20 when our president was elected and has watched him spin everything. Lying is okay, doing anything you can to stay in office is okay. That's what has happened in the last 8 years and it has badly influenced the younger crowd. That's NOT the way business, especially our knifemaking business should work. I would have to assume that you fall into that younger crowd, so it's okay to do that. After all, it wasn't really sex.

I won't post again until you do. I know there will be more to say.

You other guys, don't forget to make that note in your DayTimer.

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I don't have a dog in this fight one way or another, but I do wish this discussion would stay in the GB&U forum.

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I agree with Bronco. As my first official act of moderation in the general forum, I'm sending this thread back to hell where it belongs
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Lynn, Kit's real problem with you has nothing to do with your age. I think you know that.

Your response to this should be in the thread were you took this quote from. Stirring up more trouble by posting this in the general forum is not going to be allowed.

The real problem with all of this is that only a very small number of people really understand what is going on here. I wish you guys would fight this out via email or phone. But if you Must do it publically, use the GBU forum. This whole thing meets two of three of the criteria for that place. This argument is both Bad and Ugly.

I'll leave this thread here, but locked. That should get some people to rush over to GBU to help you out
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I think, no I a sure beyond any doubt whatsoever that Kit is one of the most giving knifemakers I have had the pleasure to get to know.


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Taking things out of context to attempt to turn public opinion against Kit Carson was poor judgement on your part in my book. I have watched you and Kit play in public forums like this several times and, I must admit that it usually isn't a fair fight. Kit's knowledge, experience, honesty and, integrity have shown through every time.

Your hype and ego may sell well in Oklahoma, but it sure doesn't go far at my house.

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Could someone explain what this ongoing 'war' is all about? I think it might help me if I knew. And I don't want a biased reply!

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Oh, one more thing Lynn. Next time you do something like this, I will do what you do so well, and delete the whole darned thing from My forum (it's not really mine, like your forum is yours, but it is my responsibilty to try and keep it clean and a nice place to be). Consider my leaving this thread in the general forum in its locked condition as Free Advertising.

Fair Warning!
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Lynn, I like you and want nothing but success for you. I hope you come to realize quickly that the abuse of these forums and for a while TKCL for marketing is not the way to go, but the title of this thread and your post is one of the dumbest things I have encounted on the net.

 
Whirlwind, it would take a whole seperate forum thread just to explain the genesis of this silliness, but it really boils down to someone having a REALLY thin skin and an ego all out of proportion to their talent (this is only MY opinion, of course) and then other folks having fun with the easily excited.
That's it in a nut shell, or you can do a search on Mr Griffith and see what turns up.
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Sid right on, I couldn't agree with you more.
Para I agree with locking and moving the thread, but a total delete of it would be just wrong.
 
lynn,

again you twist things around to make you look always like the poor victim. and that Kit or i are the bad guys in all this. it has nothing at all to do with your age. and why didnt you respond in the same thread as kit posted in?? this doesnt belong in general but knowing you, drawing attention to "poor bashed lynn" is your purpose here i'm sure.
 
lynn,

we dont need your phone number as i am sure the conversation would again be twisted around by you. you got something to say, say it here! i sure will.
 
db, I don't mean a total delete of the thread from the Universe. I mean simply transferring it back to GBU but Not leaving the locked ghost of a thread in the General Forum attracting attention.

Lynn, I am not going to call you. Nor will I explain my actions any further than what is in this thread. Taking this quote out of the context of the original thread it was written in is blatantly self-serving and unfair. Its not that I agree with the way Kit expresses his frustration with you, but your implication that this has something to do with your age is just plain wrong, and you know it.

I am not talking sides on this arguement. I wish you success and good fortune. I think you need to slow down and think about this whole thing more and react less. I know from many conversations with both Kit and Tim that they do not wish your harm. On the contrary, they think You are harming the ethics and standards that they hold dear. I can not comment on whether or not that is true. Its none of my business as I am not a knifemaker. But what gets posted in the general forum is my business. I will not allow any self serving name calling by Either side in the general forum. Promise.

What goes on in GBU or Whine and Cheese is another matter
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Lynn, you are your own worst enemy, your attitude and your ego is misdirected. You hear advice from your betters and take it as an attack, your immaturity shines through, and it has nothing to do with years. The makers that you think are out to get you would have done everything in their power to help you had they not felt their words were falling on deaf ears, and a swelled head.

I'm not a maker, I'm not young, and I'm not you, but if I were I would rethink what you are doing here and in your business practices. I have no comment on your work, I've never handled one of your knives and it's not the style I would buy. I have no desire to see you run out of business, just the hope that you will change your ways, grow up and give your customers the best knife you can make for the money and stop trying to snow them. Your act is just too transparent. Remember you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

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I think this is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read!!!! "Kit don't like me because of my age" ------ Bwahahahaha

Kit and I both live in Kaintuckee, and last night in the chat room he told me about a hammer-in that was being held this weekend by the Kentucky Blacksmith Association. He told me that he would be attending today, and invited me to come if I didn't have anything to do..... Prior to today I had only seen Kit in Atlanta, been to his shop one time, and spoke with him in chat.

I arrived at the hammer-in around 9:00 A.M. this morning.... Kit and I spent the majority of the day roaming around together.... Hell, Kit even sprang for lunch!

What's my point? I AM ONLY 26 YEARS OLD!!!! Kit and I have always got along great since the first time I met him, and I am certain that I could call him right now with a question and he would be more then happy to help me out!!! Age has nothing to do with it!!! Maturity may have been the word you were looking for, not age!!!


 
As I said in my last post, you guys post, I respond. It may never end.

For what it might be worth, my son is 28 and has been in my shop since he was a small boy. Many of my customers and other knifemakers know him and know his ethics, honestly, and sense of humor. I like him.

My new son in law is 25 and asked if I would teach him knifemaking. He started learning in my shop last Tuesday afternoon and will probably continue to learn until he becomes a top notch maker. I like him.

I spent over 20 years in the Army training young soldiers, if the time ever came, to go out and kill the enemies of their country. I was hard on them. I had to be. They were young, inexperienced, and needed constant guidance. I llked them, too.

During our long conversation at the last Blade Show, your age never came up nor had anything to do with the conversation. Your age had nothing to do with me inviting you to the seminar I was giving, nor did it have anything to do with me honestly answering your questions during the seminar.

Seems you did forget one important thing we talked about, though.

 
Wait a minute here. Did you say Kit sprang for lunch??? You coming to the NY Show this week Kit ol buddy?
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Lynn, take a deep breath and think. When you open your mouth it should not be just to change feet.
 
So far I have been able to successfully restrain myself from getting involved with any of these type of Griffith/Herman threads in the past but when I read that inane, foot-in-the-mouth remark by LG above I just have to respond. Lynn, that remark was totally waaaay off the mark was, more importantly, very uncalled for. I am 27 and have known Kit for several years now and he and I have always gotten along very well. Add to this, I had the pleasure of spending several days visitng him and learning about the business end of knifemaking. he and his wife were very gracious hosts during my stay and I am thankful to count Kit as one of the many friends I have made in my work in this industry. If you think he has a problem with anyone born after 1972, it's all in that head of yours.

Just like everyone else, I am fed up with all this crap, and will end it here and say no more on this.

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Just like everyone else, I am fed up with all this crap, and will end it here and say no more on this.

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[This message has been edited by Dawkind (edited 11-06-2000).]
 
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