Knifezilla? Quality of their cheap stuff?

Originally posted by Stu Gatz
WOW! VERY blatant rip-offs of designs and even using the original names as part of their "company names" for the "blades". I'm surprised that this company is in the U.S. and not Asia. Because it's in the U.S. I believe that there has to be SOME type of copy write violation there but I'm not positive. :rolleyes:

Stuart
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Oh, I am sure that there are bucket loads of copyright infringements going on with those knock-offs. Most manufacturers turn a blind eye to these problems because of the cost of litigation.
 
Originally posted by GarageBoy
PVK is the dept that sells Mircotechs, Benchmades, Daltons, etc. KZ is their "poverty" dept
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Knifezilla is more there Balisong Department. I wouldnt call selling Customs made knives from 29 and Darrel Ralph exactly poverty. I wouldnt even call the production Benchmades they sell poverty either.

They sell cheapies, but they also sell great stuff as well. Too bad he loads up on the knock offs too.

But I must say I never had any trouble with service from them. I had 3 orders with them and all were at my place in a weeks time. i have heard the opposite from others though...
 
If you think those descriptions are eh and downright theft watch all the videos at http://www.videoknife.com - lsten to that commentary it's more of that same old giving credit where credit is due stuff. And remember every little cloner knife you see on http://www.knifezilla.com is manufactured at ten thousand to a hundred thousand - if I sell 120 total clones of something in 2 or 3 years I consider it a great run for us. And if they go to people who might not otherwise have gotten into knives - who do get into them as a result then I know I did something good. I will always look at a knife and say THAT'S AN EMERSON DESIGN or a KEN ONION design because those people fathered those designs. In the name of fun or profit that's how I write and it's a million percent more credit than anyone ever gave them for what was taken by the million in ripped off designs.

Like RIAA - if they had come in early and licenced those early productions correctly, taken them over and given the dam people what they wanted (to check out this stuff for less than $20) we would not be here. Only now when it's too late and we created a clone industry do they places start to consider and build asia product. But that's the reaction on everything when you see loss - pull in tight and get ugly.
 
Originally posted by TakeUB(O)4rce
f I sell 120 total clones of something in 2 or 3 years I consider it a great run for us. And if they go to people who might not otherwise have gotten into knives - who do get into them as a result then I know I did something good. I will always look at a knife and say THAT'S AN EMERSON DESIGN or a KEN ONION design because those people fathered those designs. In the name of fun or profit that's how I write and it's a million percent more credit than anyone ever gave them for what was taken by the million in ripped off designs.

Like RIAA - if they had come in early and licenced those early productions correctly, taken them over and given the dam people what they wanted (to check out this stuff for less than $20) we would not be here. Only now when it's too late and we created a clone industry do they places start to consider and build asia product. But that's the reaction on everything when you see loss - pull in tight and get ugly. [/B]
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So if I understand your point, you are justifying unlawful misappropriation of the ideas of others on the grounds that you're -- what? -- a little sinner who REALLY APPRECIATES the work you're ripping off? How nice.
 
Originally posted by TakeUB(O)4rce
And if they go to people who might not otherwise have gotten into knives - who do get into them as a result then I know I did something good.
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That says plenty to me about your ability to excuse intellectual theft and to put a bright shiny face on it by thinking you did something good for humanity. That was one of the most self-serving posts I have read in a long time.
 
Certainly I would expect anyone with an expensive knife collection who can afford and enjoy good knives to really just about jump off the fence and beat me up on those ideas.

But to quote the head sales guy at Emerson "We're on the fence back and forth about what you do and how you do it."

And they wouldn't take a huge amount of money I was trying to give them but did have the courtesy to speak with me which was nice. So of course the money goes into other stuff :) Same thing on like most of these great name brands (take it from me - no in the business longer) they won't take your money and jerk you around all over the place when they do and then shovel the stuff with a fever grey market to anyone with a flower shop through some distro outfit. And then sit and wonder like fools why they're going out of busniness on accounts rec. or seeing clones of their product come into the country at a production level 10 to 50 times theirs at 1/10th the price.
 
Look, I don't think you rank with war criminals, but if you are saying that the $10 crap I see at gun and knife shows and on eBay are "clones" of high-end production knives, I have to question something. You pick. Vocabulary? Candor? Sanity? Knowledge?

Frankly, there are knives available from good makers under $30.00 that are so superior to these so-called "clones" that buying the clones is paying way too much.

Knock-offs violate the criminal laws of the United States. Getting away with crime does not equal innocence or justification. That is not an opinion. That's the law.
 
The issue at hand here is that there are many ways to slice an apple. It's the designs and ingenuity that we pay our money for.

Cheap knives are readily available, and encouraged. But this? These are blatant and malicious reproductions of another person's life work with the only goal being to strain the market from the original talent and sales thereof!!!

This touches home for so many of us because many of these makers are our friends and sources of admiration. You may have a business relationship with manufactures and are looking at the issue strictly from an idealistic Trump rape and pillage viewpoint. All is fair in the pursuit of $

Nobody is a saint, but come on, TakeUB(O)4rce mentality will only get you so far.
 
Originally posted by TakeUB(O)4rce
It will certainly be interesting to see how it all turns out in the years to come.
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Well, I am sure that with guys like you helping them these POS knock-off manufacturers will be around. Congratulations, you are doing the knife industry a great sevice.
 
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