Knives made in Taiwan & China

I have personally found my Taiwan knives to be pretty good, and I have no real experience with anything made in China, other than a Ka-Bar folder that is crap. But if I were to look at my 'collection' I think I'd find quite a few Taiwan-manufactured knives. I prefer to buy American, but my appreciation of knives (or guitars or guns) outstrips my urge to keep my spending local. I think this is partly because deep down I believe that no matter how many knives, or whatever, I buy from American companies, products will be outsourced when the market dictates (with a few notable exceptions that truly deserve our patronage). I applaud anyone who buys only American, but I'm just not there yet.
 
Hardman:
It's true that the Japanese military committed many HORRIFIC atrocities, BUT so did the Communist Chinese in Tibet. It's man's inhumanity to man. Your average Japanese person is no more warlike than your average Chinese or Westerner. BTW, I am an American of Japanese descent, and have dealt with the stereotypes ad nauseum.
Jim

Dear Jim,

I didn't intend to offend but rather make the point that the Chinese have not been conquerors in recent times, and therefore, wouldn't worry about their knife factories being used for world domination as others have posted in this thread.

Mike
 
I own a benchmade pika and a dozier folder,both are good quality knives for the cash.I've seen some of the chinease bucks and they were good enough for beater knives,but even though taiwan an china can make a desent knife,I can't make my self carry one.

I'm not a knife snob,but I've used a lot of different brands,and the only knives I carry now are made is USA sweden or switzerland.

I miss the old schrades,great prices but quality above most anything else.

Red guy,yea I grew up dreaming of german knives,but nine out of ten have been disapointments.I've had faulty or poor qualitly pumas,boker and some henckels that were lacking as well.:thumbdn: :thumbdn:
 
Chinese power comes from industrial growth yes but the main power rests with their international financial operations and potential control over the strength of the US dollar.This coupled with a possible move to the Euro is what REALLY threatens America,not millions of Chinese turning out shoddy copies of RPGs or other military hardware. He who pays the piper etc.

China holds billions in US dollar backed securities, they don't want a run on the dollar. Also, we can't buy all the cheap chinese junk if we don't borrow from other nations. The trade deficit talk always ignores the capital account.
 
I didn't intend to offend but rather make the point that the Chinese have not been conquerors in recent times, and therefore, wouldn't worry about their knife factories being used for world domination as others have posted in this thread.

I don't believe in the Sinophobic red scare crap (there's worse evil over here and most victims sanction that evil; green is the new red), but the invasion of Tibet, border disputes with India and Pakistan, and funding of Maoist douchebags in Nepal is going on right now.
 
Personally , I avoid PRC made product as much as possible . I'm not too big on exporting North American or allied jobs . A lot of Tiwanese stuff is actually made in whole or in part in the PRC , some Tiwanese firms are shills for PRC factories .

PRC quality will no doubt improve over the next few years , as they are a large net importer of new tooling .

Chris
 
The only knife that I own that isn't made in America is my Al Mar SERE 2000 which was made in Japan.All future purchases will be USA made.Regardless if Chinese made knives are any good or not I won't buy them.They are backing North Korea who would love nothing better than sending a nuke our way.If someone thinks a American made knife is not up to their standards then swich to another American company that is or patronise some of the fantastic custom makers that frequent these boards.I will get off my soapbox now.
 
It is hard to say. China is exporting cheap products to USA and other countries. By doing that, Chinese is also exhausting their natural resources (steel, oil, wood, and so on). So they would probably have nothing left to make weapons or fuel their aircraft or tanks several years later. That is not a bad thing to USA:D

Rich American business men will see that they have what they need.
 
Trick Question!
Can anyone possibly see a secondary market for "pre-owned" Chinese knives?
Can collectors see the possibility of Chinese made knives having a re-sale value?
Can anyone say for sure that there will be an American-made knife manufacturer actively selling wholesale to the "mainland" from now to never?
What does this all mean to you as someone who takes his/her knife buying seriously?
 
Hardman:
It's true that the Japanese military committed many HORRIFIC atrocities, BUT so did the Communist Chinese in Tibet. It's man's inhumanity to man. Your average Japanese person is no more warlike than your average Chinese or Westerner. BTW, I am an American of Japanese descent, and have dealt with the stereotypes ad nauseum.
Jim

I have to agree with the part "average Japanese person is no more warlike than your average Chinese or Westerner."

However, I also have Japanese crying out loud about their "lost" in WWII more so than Chinese & Korean. Simple example, Name one movie on big screen about Chinese & Korean express their sorrow history towards WWII that you remember seeing and yet you can find planty movies about Japanese being suffered. Trust me, movies are not jsut the only example i can bring. Not to forget meantion Japanese actually trying not to teach WWII in school. Japanese seems like trying to let remind everyone REMEMBER their lost but forget their own faults.

You also have to remember, Communist Chinese inhumanity act towards Tibet that is still consider "internal affair". No matter how bad Tibetian or Mongolian they try to break the bond, in history, there were part of Chinese once apond of time. Same as Communist Chinese with Taiwanese issue, is also "internal affair". You don't see China bossy over India or pakistan by being neighbor. Japanese tried to Conquer over China & Korean is nothing "internal" about. Both shows inhumanity, but intension were totally different. Communists were "force to bond", the Japanese were "conquer for lust".

Japanese did later also became victim of the war, but that doesn't mean Japanese have done nothing wrong for other not to talk about.

BTW I am an American of Chinese descent, there are histories i just can't forget about. Usually I learn not to speak out, until someone brought it up.
Chinese attitude always has been: You slap my face I don't say "Ouch" or fight back doesn't mean I am not hurt. Just don't pissed me off farther force me to fight you.

I must admit Japanese produce better product, which I buy a lot. If Chinese bad good stuff I won't mind burn my hard earn money to support ppl who trying hard. History and Business are two seperate thing.
 
Byrd knives (Spyderco's Chinese arm) are excellent. The quality is on par with many American builds and the prices are ridiculously cheap. They are developing a full flat grind, titanium handled framelock that will sell for (I'm guessing) somewhere around $50. Try that with an American factory.

China is crushing the United States right now. In the short term this isn't too bad, because we are able to get things cheaply from them. But besides giving our jobs to them, we are paying to develop their industrial infrastructure right now. In a few years they will be able to turn around and use this industrial and economic might in ways that we might not like so much. We will be unable to compete with them militarily if they get their economy up to full steam. If China decides to start trouble, those factories that are being used to make our baubles today could be readily converted to wartime production. Meanwhile, we are laying off our industrial workers and closing our factories.

I think that this is a profound and very prophetic post and one we really need to be concerned about. This should be of concern not only to the US but to all freeworld countries. A country with nearly 2 billion people will need to expand to survive.

Anyway back to steel. Chinese steel making factories have been purchasing old equipment from the US for decades and their processes have been improving. Their processes for making the raw steel is no better or worse than anywhere else. The biggest concern is QC and if the steel you order is actually the steel you get.

Any company that does not analyze the steel they get from Japan, Taiwan and China cannot guaranty that the steel is what it is claimed to be. I remember certain knife companies receiving steel from Japan and when the steel was chemically analyzed it was a cheaper steel and different than what was supposed to be shipped. A very popular knife of the time was being produced with this inferior steel in the 80's. Another US knife company representative was dealing with Japanese steel companies and this rep new enough JApanese to know what they were saying and their words to each other was "tell them we will ship them the steel they want, they will not know the difference anyway." Sure enough, when the steel was analyzed, it was a cheaper steel than what was supposed to have been sold to this company. This US knife company was savy enough to check, but how many really are? If their mentality is screw the American knife company and give them whatever you want because they cannot tell the difference, then it is up to the American companies to make sure that the steel is what it is supposed to be.
 
At this point I would rather buy knives from American, Canadian, European, Southamerican, african, middle eastern and australian/new zealand knife companies than East Asian knife companies as I have little trust in their intentions.

The problem is that it is hard to beat the prices from knives from china/taiwan, although Japan has become pricier.
 
I have to agree with the original poster...I cannot carry any knife with Taiwan or China printed on it...no matter how good it is. No decent production knives that I know of come from Australia, so that rules that out, so all my knives must either say USA or Japan on the blade, with the only exception being ER which are made in italy. I don't mind my Kizlayer russian knife either though.
 
wuyeah:

Far be it for me to deny what happened in China in WWII. If it was in my power, I'd have the whole truth taught in Japanese schools, but I don't have that power, and I am American-Japanese, not native Japanese (there is a BIG difference, though we are often blamed in U.S. for the actions of the native-Japanese military 60+ years ago). Many nations deny their misdeeds and amplify their own sufferings. That is something Japan needs badly to come to terms with. However, originally, Mongolia was not a part of China, that's why the Great Wall was built, to keep out what was referred to as "northern barbarians." I know a woman of Mongolian ancestry who told me she is Mongolian and is not Chinese. That is not my place to decide, but I thought I would mention that. However, I still stand by my thoughts that I'm sure the average Japanese person... or Chinese or American, whatever...just wants to live their lives and be left the hell alone, and not be manipulated around like pawns.

And I don't understand your apparent anger towards my post. There have been many other posts on these forums which have been virulently anti-China; mine was not. I simply pointed out what has happened, and internal affair or not, I'm sure the innocent victims of such violence were not any happier that it was for the purpose of a bonding. Those who commit acts of violence, be they Japanese, Chinese, or whoever else, generally tend to downplay their own involvement. I have stood up on other, different threads when some individuals have stereotyped Chinese in general. I don't know what I said that could piss you off, as I did not mention anything that is not true, and did not insult China in the least. If you don't like the denials of the Japanese government of what occurred in the past, then don't make excuses for China.
Jim
 
Cobalt,

An American steel company recently passed off 8670-modifed as L6 (names named in another subforum), so that sort of bs is international. All humans can make mistakes and can lie. It's not that American steel companies are more trustworthy than Japanese or Taiwanese or Chinese steelmakers; it's that you choose to trust them.
 
I have to agree with the part "average Japanese person is no more warlike than your average Chinese or Westerner."

However, I also have Japanese crying out loud about their "lost" in WWII more so than Chinese & Korean. Simple example, Name one movie on big screen about Chinese & Korean express their sorrow history towards WWII that you remember seeing and yet you can find planty movies about Japanese being suffered. Trust me, movies are not jsut the only example i can bring. Not to forget meantion Japanese actually trying not to teach WWII in school. Japanese seems like trying to let remind everyone REMEMBER their lost but forget their own faults.

You also have to remember, Communist Chinese inhumanity act towards Tibet that is still consider "internal affair". No matter how bad Tibetian or Mongolian they try to break the bond, in history, there were part of Chinese once apond of time. Same as Communist Chinese with Taiwanese issue, is also "internal affair". You don't see China bossy over India or pakistan by being neighbor. Japanese tried to Conquer over China & Korean is nothing "internal" about. Both shows inhumanity, but intension were totally different. Communists were "force to bond", the Japanese were "conquer for lust".

Japanese did later also became victim of the war, but that doesn't mean Japanese have done nothing wrong for other not to talk about.

BTW I am an American of Chinese descent, there are histories i just can't forget about. Usually I learn not to speak out, until someone brought it up.
Chinese attitude always has been: You slap my face I don't say "Ouch" or fight back doesn't mean I am not hurt. Just don't pissed me off farther force me to fight you.

I must admit Japanese produce better product, which I buy a lot. If Chinese bad good stuff I won't mind burn my hard earn money to support ppl who trying hard. History and Business are two seperate thing.

that is just a total lie my frine,
sorry to sound as one on the offencive,
but you must verse your selfe in the history of the "gloriour center of the world"

neither tibet or mongolia have ever been part of china, untill the collapse of the manchurian empire, manchus being nomads akin to your amriecan natives,
even then these areas were not under chinese control till 1950 or so,
the area that the chinese poeple can freely inhabit had increased 2 times or more in 80 years, they have gained great areas of land to colonise,
manchuria, east turkmenistan tibet and its protectorate kingdoms, ( being about 3 times the size of tibet shown on the map) inner mongolia,
and taiwan, which was till very recently inhabited in the mijority by the native peoples,

all south east asian nations have large colonial chinese populations these populations totaly dominate the economy and are loyal to the chinese ethnic entity,
as chinese, for the most part nar not centered on the idea of a nation but on the idea of a homogeinus chinese society,

chinese have never succeeeded in invading another nation,
not becuiase they never wished to but becuase they constantly failed,
mainly due to the domination of their lands by more militarly advanced nomad peoples,
they have tried many times to bring control by force, but never with luck ,
however they have always suceeeded with guile where force did not, buy trade, and immergration they now control most of asia,

now, other thing, chines epopele are nto at all communist, and haveing stayed there for some months ill say they are no different than chinese form noncommunist nations, (while russians , mongoilans, and other soviet poepls seem to be realy buggered up by communisim!! :O.. different way of thinking)

i didnt see anyhting in china that resembled communisim,
or any ppearence in a desire to spread the "revolution"
or even a basic understanding of what communisim should be,
chinese culture is buy nature capatilist, and communisim goes against their ideals,

that being said,
i didnt ee and military presence, or any degree of good organisation among the police or military or any organised controls,
compared to say russia china is a very safe place, with little buraucracy.
and little or no military presence, (cant say for the non chinaese areas though, but they are sparsly populated)


however i ave to say i found many chinese to be good people and friendly,

the younger ppeopel aspecialy were good, and the average person being honest and very helpful, aspecialy in the smaller cities,
there appears a marked difference between the older and the younger chinese in mentality though and this is very obvous to the eye..

well anyway, thats china,
still it amazes me to hear you chaps lark on about the "red terror" and evil communists,
when you know nothing atall aboutt them ,
i would understand if a czech or a east german, or romanian would say such things, but an amecian , it is humorus,
and losing the vietnam war ? hahahah
comeone, what war, it was an occupation,
you were trying to force political ideal on poeple while others tried to at the same time,

but it was hardly a way, more a ongoing revolution,
the war happened after you guys bailed out, and the north vietnamese rolled in,
and if you had defeated the nva and crushed the "evil mommas apple pie hatin reds" what would have you done?
maintained the evil criminal dictatorship you had in place?
to exploite the poeple, ?
the communists could do that :)
remember 3-4 vietnamese died in the war, that was perpetuated by your government to prop up a a criminal system, against another criminal system,
why not just let them do it them selves :)
well thats my rant,

oh and id like to see onday a chinese based company make "chinese knives" for the chines emarket, id have no problem with that,
paul chen dosnt coulnt, as in the end his products are made to sell to the u.s. and the west,, and so the styles are flavored but this market.
 
Watch out for China. They will be a MAJOR player in the cutlery market in the years to come.
 
I buy American even though it costs 10x more. The problem is that most people don't care where the the goods they buy are made as long as it's cheap. I don't hate China or her people. I think quality products can be made in any country, even China but the problem is the American companies who venture there use the cheapest materials and employ unskilled workers. It is the job-outsourcing, greedy bastards who should be hated and boycotted.
 
Well, I gotta say first off Im candian, born and raised. I love that fact that we all like to talk about only buying localy, but the chinese stuff is all around, probably the computer your using rite now, BUT, that is no reason for me to do that same with my knives. Though I see that little china sign on alot of things around, I for one will not have it said on my blades. I praise the companys, canadian, american and heck swiss and Ireland that produce quailty knives, enough of the stuff around is china, why should my knives?

Now, just so its out there, I have no problem with china, I just dont like the QC that comes outa there.
 
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