Knives, Sheeple and Trouble

[Sep]

exactly my point.

they are weapons imo. if a cop searched you and asked you before if you had any weapons on you you would show him your knife. hopefully. calling it a weapon is not a judgement on your character but of the tool in question IMO.

Many local laws actually said that a knife in itself under a certain size can't be considered a weapon, unless it is actually used as one. If a cop asks you whether you have any weapon, the answer is "No, officer, but I have a pocket knife".

 

[UpChUcK]

knives and weapons dont belong in an office or administrative environment. this should be common sense.

You are partially correct - "weapons" may not belong in an "office or administrative environment", but tools do. I work in an "office or administrative environment" and carry and use a knife regularly. I work in Information Systems for a large automotive company and use it to cut all sorts of things like boxes, heavy plastic bags, bubble wrap, plastic strapping, network cables, etc. Couldn't do my job properly without this versatile "tool". My manager knows it and he carries as well. Many here do.

 

[CountyRat]

I agree with Sep: "No, officer, but I have a pocket knife" gets my vote for best answer to the question posed. It is honest, and also shows respect for the officer's authority and safety. And, I would expect the officer to put me against a wall or car and take my pocket knife while he or she evaluates the situation. No problem. I would cooperate fully. The officer has to be in control, and smart people let the officer take control, and cooperate as he or she decides what is going on. This does not guarantee a fair outcome, but it is the best path to one.

Oh, on a practical note, when we knife afficianados mention our pride and joy EDC, it is the most natural thing in the world to reach into our pocket and pull out our blade so we can show it off a little. Not the A+ response when talking with a police officer. Our intentions may be as innocent as a newborne babe's, but our action could be misunderstood, which could result in the officer arrainging for us to experience a very sudden, intimate relationship with the sidewalk. The police officer is your friend, but that friendship will get off to a better start if you keep your hands fully visible, palms toward the nice officer, and fingers slightly spread in a relaxed maner. Wait for the nice officer to tell you what to do with those hands, and you will probably be on your way (with your EDC back in your pocket) in a few minutes.

 

[Erasmus]

"Oh my god! Where did you get that switchblade fish carving knife!?!?".

Classic.

Well, where did you get it? I may need one.

Seriously, don't argue logically and cerebrally with irrational/emotional whiners. You have to fight emotion with emotion. I prefer ridicule with a side of debunking.

When accosted by someone( meaning a gal) for having a small pocket knife, hunch your body forward, bring your hands up in front of your face and manically rub your hands together, while doing an impression of Renfield's laugh, "Hehhh heh hehhhhhh..." You can even hum the villain's theme music from the Dudley Do-Right cartoon.

When they then complain that you aren't taking their (silly) fears seriously, turn the tables and accuse them of watching too much TeeVee, specifically Lifetime Network for (victim) Women. "Yeah, the women are always pure, innocent victims, and all men are fiendish, filthy beasts.. can't believe you bought all that self-serving nonsence." Then laugh at them while shaking your head.

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Hey gents, we need more funny sheeple/knife stories.

 

[CountyRat]

Maybe we could invoke the Americans with Disabilities Act. That law requires employers to make reasonable accommodation for employees with disabling medical conditions, including allowing special equipment that the employee needs in order to function in a healthy way. Can we get a doctor to write a note saying that we need to carry pocket knives because we suffer from self-sufficiency disorder and severe stupidityophobia? Any docs or lawyers in the forum who can help us out here?

 

[tsiloics]

thats cool and more power to you. you are lucky to have a boss who likes outdoor sports. i dont think its unreasonable at all to have a knife at work. but at the same time i understand why a professional office environment would frown upon knives in the office. and if i have to use a utility blade instead of scissors im really not gonna cry or think its unreasonable.

Bear in mind that all professional offices aren't located in downtown highrises. There are plenty of office buildings that house more than the entire population of my city, and we still have quite a few professional offices.

I've worked in small/mid-size offices around the country, and always carried a knife. Never had a problem.

 

[tsiloics]

Also... pocket knives are not primarily weapons. They're barely even weapons at all. Rational people do not look upon pocket knives as weapons. The fact that they can be used as weapons in an emergency is beside the point. So can a pencil, screwdriver or roll of drawings. Seriously.

Guns are completely different. All EDC guns are 100% weapons. It is up to management/ownership to determine their place in an office environment. Not really meaning to get into a debate about guns in the office, just saying that knives are completely different.

 

[StotheE]

when they then complain that you aren't taking their (silly) fears seriously, turn the tables and accuse them of watching too much teevee, specifically lifetime network for (victim) women. "yeah, the women are always pure, innocent victims, and all men are fiendish, filthy beasts.. Can't believe you bought all that self-serving nonsence." then laugh at them while shaking your head.

hahahhahahahahahahahahaahah

 

[mdauben]

knives and weapons dont belong in an office or administrative environment. this should be common sense.

Hardly.

I have worked in an office environement for much of the last twenty years, and I have always carried a small pocket knife to work with me. It comes in handy for innumerable uses and there is no sane reason why such tool should be restricted. Any such restrictions are simply the result if irrational fear and lack of common sense. Everyone I work with has a pair of scissors at their desk with blades twice as long as my ususal EDC folder, and there are several knives of 5-10 inches in the lunch room all of which are more dangerous than my little folder.

 

[Josh K]

Hardly.

I have worked in an office environement for much of the last twenty years, and I have always carried a small pocket knife to work with me. It comes in handy for innumerable uses and there is no sane reason why such tool should be restricted. Any such restrictions are simply the result if irrational fear and lack of common sense. Everyone I work with has a pair of scissors at their desk with blades twice as long as my ususal EDC folder, and there are several knives of 5-10 inches in the lunch room all of which are more dangerous than my little folder.

Someone else put it quite well, and I'll paraphrase here:

If I use a knife to rob a store, charge me with robbery.
If I use a knife to kill someone, charge me with murder.

I think there were a couple more, but the point is made. Restrictions on knives don't limit how they are used, they just make it harder for honest citizens to go about their day.

 

[stabman]

exactly my point.

they are weapons imo.

Well then, they ARE a weapon if YOU'RE carrying them, because you lack the ability to see the fact that they are a tool first and foremost.
Hey, guess what? Knives were first used by humans as tools, that's right, TOOLS. It was only in later years(but still far in the past) that specialized weapon type knives began to be made.
Maybe you should do some research before painting everyone with your brush.

 

[StotheE]

Well then, they ARE a weapon if YOU'RE carrying them, because you lack the ability to see the fact that they are a tool first and foremost.
Hey, guess what? Knives were first used by humans as tools, that's right, TOOLS. It was only in later years(but still far in the past) that specialized weapon type knives began to be made.
Maybe you should do some research before painting everyone with your brush.

it appears you aren't too intelligent and biased. hopefully you have the ability to read and comprehend. hopefully. im keeping my fingers crossed.

weap⋅on
   /ˈwɛpən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wep-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
2. anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
3. Zoology. any part or organ serving for attack or defense, as claws, horns, teeth, or stings.

 

[StotheE]

Hardly.

I have worked in an office environement for much of the last twenty years, and I have always carried a small pocket knife to work with me. It comes in handy for innumerable uses and there is no sane reason why such tool should be restricted. Any such restrictions are simply the result if irrational fear and lack of common sense. Everyone I work with has a pair of scissors at their desk with blades twice as long as my ususal EDC folder, and there are several knives of 5-10 inches in the lunch room all of which are more dangerous than my little folder.

congratulations you live in alabama

 

[stabman]

it appears you aren't too intelligent and biased. hopefully you have the ability to read and comprehend. hopefully. im keeping my fingers crossed.

It appears you have reached the bottom of the conversational barrel, as you had to resort to lame insults.
It IS quite humourous that you attempt to insult my intelligence with horrible grammar, and an inability to punctuate or use capital letters.
I'd say more, but it would be a waste of precious energy to converse any more with a tiresome troll such as yourself.
It's okay though, as you won't be here long.:thumbup:

 

[StotheE]

It appears you have reached the bottom of the conversational barrel, as you had to resort to lame insults.
It IS quite humourous that you attempt to insult my intelligence with horrible grammar, and an inability to punctuate or use capital letters.
I'd say more, but it would be a waste of precious energy to converse any more with a tiresome troll such as yourself.
It's okay though, as you won't be here long.:thumbup:

when you described tool you should have posted a picture of yourself.

 

[stabman]

when you described tool you should have posted a picture of yourself.

Goodbye.

 

[chopchop]

it appears you aren't too intelligent and biased. hopefully you have the ability to read and comprehend. hopefully. im keeping my fingers crossed.

weap⋅on
   /ˈwɛpən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wep-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
2. anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
3. Zoology. any part or organ serving for attack or defense, as claws, horns, teeth, or stings.

truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

pencil, fork, wrench, candlestick, cane, lead pipe, baseball bat, screwdriver, rock, this post, fingernails, teeth, etc.

all should be illegal.

 

[Josh K]

truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

pencil, fork, wrench, candlestick, cane, lead pipe, baseball bat, screwdriver, rock, this post, fingernails, teeth, etc.

all should be illegal.

I must concur with the dizzying intellect. Let's lock ourselves in padded rooms while were at it.

 

[StotheE]

truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

pencil, fork, wrench, candlestick, cane, lead pipe, baseball bat, screwdriver, rock, this post, fingernails, teeth, etc.

all should be illegal.

we are talking about in a professional[not rednick/hick] office/administrative environment. i like knives and carry one whenever possible too but my love for knives doesnt make me ignorant.

 

[Josh K]

we are talking about in a professional[not rednick/hick] office/administrative environment. i like knives and carry one whenever possible too but my love for knives doesnt make me ignorant.

Apparently it does.

You work in a professional office enviornment. Which fast food place is that again? You're going to slam redneks and hicks, but you fail to properly spell anything in any post. You've also seem to come up with your own rules regarding grammar and punctuation.