Knock Off?

Solstice

Solstice

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I happen to be a great fan of this company but I really feel that they have taken something from CRK. The blade, handle design are extremely similar and the name....well it's even a little too close.

Am I off target here.....???

Knock Off???


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There are similarities, but to call it a knock-off is pushing it. CRK makes great knives and dozen of other knife makers have adopted the titanium frame-lock configuration. The RIL is the best way lock a folder right now. Until some one finds something better a knife maker would be stupid not to use it.

If you've always wanted an assisted opening sebenza with a make over for 30% off, today is your lucky day. I'll pass. I am buying the new Lum knife with the axis-lock instead.
 
A true knock off is a no name company that generally buys an original, takes it apart, tools up and then starts mass producing the product with budget raw materials in an identical fashion. At times you will even see a logo rip off. It usually happens in countries outside the U.S. It is common to find these knock offs on ebay, and that really chaps my hyde. I report them to ebay community. Even if it does nothing, at least I feel I did something. Spyderco gets abused in this fashion. The Benchmade Subrosa does not appear to be even close to a knock off of the Sebenza.
 
:mad: Not only have they stolen the Sebenza's country of origin, they have even stolen the Sebenza's assisted opening mechanism.
 
Other than perhaps the thumbstud there really is no more of a connection to the Sebenza than any other Ti framelock IMO.
 
cj65 said:
A true knock off is a no name company that generally buys an original, takes it apart, tools up and then starts mass producing the product with budget raw materials in an identical fashion. At times you will even see a logo rip off. It usually happens in countries outside the U.S. It is common to find these knock offs on ebay, and that really chaps my hyde. I report them to ebay community. Even if it does nothing, at least I feel I did something. Spyderco gets abused in this fashion. The Benchmade Subrosa does not appear to be even close to a knock off of the Sebenza.
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First, it doesn't have to be a "no name company."

Second, I believe there are differing degrees of knock-offs. For example, there are blatant knock-offs, where the a company mimics the exact knife and there are companies that will make several aesthetic changes to a knife.

To me, aesthetic differences can play tricks on one's eyes, especially when we're dealing with pictures, such as the lighting used when the picture was taken.

Surprisingly, a different type blade or grind, the change in screw placement, and even grooves in the scales can change the appearance of a knife.

To truly see. . . .get the knives together, take them apart, and then make a comparison.

Example?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347507

:D
 
Solstice said:
I happen to be a great fan of this company but I really feel that they have taken something from CRK. The blade, handle design are extremely similar and the name....well it's even a little too close.

Am I off target here.....???

Knock Off???


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I do think you're off target. If anything this knife is reminiscent of BM's discontinued 750. I don't think there is any foul play here, although I do wish BM would do away with the stupid monolock name and call it by it's appropriate name.

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Apparently the Subrosa is a Matthew Learch design...
So in that respect, it's not fair to point a finger at Benchmade.

Edit: I did some googling and found a Lerch/Steigerwalt 1st Model "Subrosa" A/O on Moore Cutlery's website. The Benchmade version appears to be reasonably faithful to the original.
 
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its no more of a knock off than the Bradley Alias I&II's are, and those aren't even close to the original except for a couple of visual cues.
 
GigOne said:
First, it doesn't have to be a "no name company."

Second, I believe there are differing degrees of knock-offs. For example, there are blatant knock-offs, where the a company mimics the exact knife and there are companies that will make several aesthetic changes to a knife.

To me, aesthetic differences can play tricks on one's eyes, especially when we're dealing with pictures, such as the lighting used when the picture was taken.

Surprisingly, a different type blade or grind, the change in screw placement, and even grooves in the scales can change the appearance of a knife.

To truly see. . . .get the knives together, take them apart, and then make a comparison.

Example?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347507

:D
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I believe that this is where I was trying to go with the suggestion that it was close to a Sebbie. The look made me first think of the Sebenza and then the name really brought the thought in closer....for me.



Lycosa said:
Only a Sebenza is a SEBENZA. ;)
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Are you following me??? :p




tjsulli790 said:
I do think you're off target. If anything this knife is reminiscent of BM's discontinued 750. I don't think there is any foul play here, although I do wish BM would do away with the stupid monolock name and call it by it's appropriate name.

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Which I've heard people refer to as the "poor man's" Sebenza. Wonder why they discontinued it. I've heard it was a hell of a knife




chanwahyaoh said:
Apparently the Subrosa is a Matthew Learch design...
So in that respect, it's not fair to point a finger at Benchmade.

Edit: I did some googling and found a Lerch/Steigerwalt 1st Model "Subrosa" A/O on Moore Cutlery's website. The Benchmade version appears to be reasonably faithful to the original.
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Thanks for that follow up....should have done so myself before throwing this out.:o

I'm not bashing BM by any means, I have more of their knives than anything else, but I was surprised to see something that really reminded me of the Sebenza but didn't see that BM had given any props to them for the design. Something that BM is so good about. Now that I looked closer at the picture that KnifeCenter has, I do see the maker's name...Lerch.

Anyhow....just thought I'd bring it up for topic. Thanks for the input everyone.:D
 
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