Kohai999's Experiment

Should Steven Cut His Experiment Short?

  • Yes, the debates will go on without him...

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  • No, things are settling down without him...

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I didn't intend to put words in anyone's mouth. If you'd like to vote you can choose your option and explain your reasoning in the text of your post. I'd edit the poll but that doesn't seem to be an option. Thanks for participating.
 
STeven's posts are the best and the worst. He's supreme when he blends his knowledge with sanguine wit and writing skills; he's worst when he goes pathological with arrogance and savagery. Only when STeven learns to reconcile strength with gentleness will he achieve the greatness that's within him. I, for one, am pulling for him.

Ken

Good post, Ken. You always hear in the martial arts movies how you have to learn to bend like a palm tree. Steven seems to bend like a bow with a notched arrow sometimes... :D We're all human though. We started off on the wrong foot but since I've gotten to know him he's always been a good guy.
 
I would have replied if the options were "Yes", and "No". As they are written, none are appropriate. I have always hated this type of polls where the pollsters try to have the answers corraled into saying something they don't agree with. I don't think that's your goal here but you should have left it at yes / no.

My reason for not voting well stated. My feeling is STeven should do exactly what HE prefers to and not base his actions on a poll.

Perhaps there should be a poll to decide if those members that continually make posts with no intention but to engage in arguments and controversy should be eliminated?

In my opinion STeven is one of the most knowledgeable contributors to this forum.

Peter
 
STeven's posts are the best and the worst. He's supreme when he blends his knowledge with sanguine wit and writing skills; he's worst when he goes pathological with arrogance and savagery. Only when STeven learns to reconcile strength with gentleness will he achieve the greatness that's within him. I, for one, am pulling for him.

Ken

Ken you may have summed up STeven pretty well based on his interaction on this forum. However, just as we are judging knives only by their photos we have to careful in judging individuals only by their written words.

As I touched on in one of my recent post, STeven is still very direct and doesn't sugar coat things in person, however there is gentler side to him. And if you were ever to need a friend to cover your back or lend you a few hundred to get out of a jam, you can bet STeven would be stepping up when other friends are backing up.
 
I have noticed that STeven wasn´t posting but didn´t know the reason. Though I would like to know why, I can´t figure where to look for the answer (in the abundant flaming material that has been on lately). If someone could explain, I would be grateful.

On a side note: when I first started to post pictures promoting the Brazilian Bladesmiths group, STeven was pretty hard on me and on the Brazilian knifemakers. Until today I failed to truly understand the reason for this. But from his other posts he did seem to be much more than the standard xenophobic.

I though it was worth the time and effort to try to show things in a different perspective to him and I guess I ended up making a good friend. As much as a combative person he may be, he is also a gentleman who can humbly stand corrected when it comes to it.

You have to work hard to earn it though and I surely understand lots of people don´t care to get to his "right side". No one can be blamed for it, I myself have held my fingers from the keyboard when I was just this close to tell him to f&5$k off. I am glad I decided otherwise.

I am not voting in this pool. I think a friend is someone who will give the best piece of advice you can, but regardless of the decision your friend takes, you will support your friend however you can. Even is he/she doesn´t agree with you.

If STeven decides to leave the room for good, I will certainly miss his posts. If he feels better off that way, I will be the first to say, 'farewell' and wish him all the best.

SO... with deep consideration, all I can say is that I wish there was a pool option saying "WHATEVER"... :D

Jeff Velasco
 
In my opinion STeven is one of the most knowledgeable contributors to this forum.
Peter


Agreed, I have learned more from 2 people that post here regularly, than the rest of the forum combined and Steven is one of them.

If Steven starts a thread I'm reading it, I hope he decides to come back.
 
I'm all for him coming back. I don't always agree with the way he expresses his opinions, but he's a good guy at heart and has a wealth of knowledge that really contributes to these boards.
 
Steven will come back - he's said so from the beginning. He's just taking a break, we should cut him some slack.
 
I'm not going to vote, because I don't think the poll was worded very well...

However, I do think a little break is nice,... but that Steven should come back when ever he is ready and try to make a fresh start of it. :)
 
You guys that wouldn't take the poll have me curious. Would you have voted yes, no, maybe? What wording did you find objectionable?
 
This strikes me as being very silly. I do think that Steven, as well as everyone else, would do well to remember that, here on the internets, there are those who will ascribe tone to any given statement and others who will take umbrage at the drop of a dime over any critical statement no matter the manner in which it is made. We can't be responsible for that but it is certainly something to be aware of. Because of this, I think it is important to choose one's words as deliberately as possible especially when some of them may be negative.


But, c'mon, does anyone truly think that this forum is better off without kohai999? That he is actually that much of a divisive force? That sure is attributing a heck of a lot of power to one person...

For my part, I think this forum (with no disrepect meant for the other regulars here) would lose one of its most knowledgable assets should Kohai999 cease posting for good.


Being honest is still more important than spewing superlatives, isn't it?
 
You guys that wouldn't take the poll have me curious. Would you have voted yes, no, maybe? What wording did you find objectionable?

I agree with what Joss said, just a simple yes or no, without any reasoning stated in the poll as to why.
 
STeven, who BTW is still reading all these posts, made the suggestion himself. I hope he'll stick to it and I think he will because I know him to be a man who keeps his word.

None of us is vital to the on-going forum discussions. When any of our voices become too loud, too strident, too forceful, it prevents others from joining in. Ultimately, when a forum becomes (more or less) dominated by one, or a few, loud and urelenting voices, growth is stunted and people start taking pot-shots at thoses who are perceived as dominating too much.

STeven is a great resource, but he is not the only one and I believe he would be much more effective without the prickly exterior - and I think the forum would be better off (with STeven) if he would stop using the "This is the way I am and it isn't going to change" excuse. Nor should we support him or anyone else who invokes that defense.

Anybody can change if they choose to. And if they don't, and what they're doing is too irritating and stiffling, then they will ultimately get voted off the island (for a time, if not forever). And I'm not talking about just the occasonal obnoxious troll. Remember, such notables as Les Robertson, Rhett Stidham and Bernard Levine, all notable experts with much to contribute have been made to experience consequences for chronically engaging in behavior deemed detrimental to the health and functioning of a forum.

When someone cannot control their emotions such that the content of a given discssion is pushed aside by the personal conflict and bickering - the persons responsible will ultimately be banned, asked to relocate or get suspended. At the very least they will undermine their credibility and wind up on a lot of peoples' ignore lists.

For those who have perceived my position in this and similar discussions in related threads as being weak and conflict-avoidant - you are mistaken. Forums are by nature anarchic and anarchy IS the history of the human condition. What's happened on this forum mimics the human condition. Tyrants emerge and are overthrown. Newer, kinder-gentler leaders appear from whom more tyrants emerge. The new tyrants are overthrown etc., etc., etc.

I don't think this historical tide will ever be changed at its core, but here in this little corner of the universe, it would be nice if we could see what is happening, recognize it for what it is, let the individuals who need to get it together and tone it down a notch take the opportunity to do so before drastic measures are taken, then meaningful discussion of "Custom & Handmade Knives" will continue. Visitors, newcomers, established makers and new makers will naturally feel more comfortable in participating. A wide variety of issues will get discussed and life will go on.

So... STeven's placing himself on sabatical isn't just good for him and the forum, it's a very clear message and a fine example for the rest of us. STeven isn't the only one around here who needs to get a grip. It's time for all of us to begin asking ourselves, "Is what I'm about to say on this forum relevant, useful and offered in the right spirit - or am I just spouting off, impulsively saying what I think without realizing the negative impact it may have?"

PS: I agree the wording of the poll could've been better, but I voted "No" and hope my post explains why. In fact, I do think things have settled down a bit. That doesn't mean I'm against STeven ever returning. I hope he will - after grinding down and polishing some of his rough edges.
 
STeven, who BTW is still reading all these posts, made the suggestion himself. I hope he'll stick to it and I think he will because I know him to be a man who keeps his word.

None of us is vital to the on-going forum discussions. When any of our voices become too loud, too strident, too forceful, it prevents others from joining in. Ultimately, when a forum becomes (more or less) dominated by one, or a few, loud and urelenting voices, growth is stunted and people start taking pot-shots at thoses who are perceived as dominating too much.

STeven is a great resource, but he is not the only one and I believe he would be much more effective without the prickly exterior - and I think the forum would be better off (with STeven) if he would stop using the "This is the way I am and it isn't going to change" excuse. Nor should we support him or anyone else who invokes that defense.

Anybody can change if they choose to. And if they don't, and what they're doing is too irritating and stiffling, then they will ultimately get voted off the island (for a time, if not forever). And I'm not talking about just the occasonal obnoxious troll. Remember, such notables as Les Robertson, Rhett Stidham and Bernard Levine, all notable experts with much to contribute have been made to experience consequences for chronically engaging in behavior deemed detrimental to the health and functioning of a forum.

When someone cannot control their emotions such that the content of a given discssion is pushed aside by the personal conflict and bickering - the persons responsible will ultimately be banned, asked to relocate or get suspended. At the very least they will undermine their credibility and wind up on a lot of peoples' ignore lists.

For those who have perceived my position in this and similar discussions in related threads as being weak and conflict-avoidant - you are mistaken. Forums are by nature anarchic and anarchy IS the history of the human condition. What's happened on this forum mimics the human condition. Tyrants emerge and are overthrown. Newer, kinder-gentler leaders appear from whom more tyrants emerge. The new tyrants are overthrown etc., etc., etc.

I don't think this historical tide will ever be changed at its core, but here in this little corner of the universe, it would be nice if we could see what is happening, recognize it for what it is, let the individuals who need to get it together and tone it down a notch take the opportunity to do so before drastic measures are taken, then meaningful discussion of "Custom & Handmade Knives" will continue. Visitors, newcomers, established makers and new makers will naturally feel more comfortable in participating. A wide variety of issues will get discussed and life will go on.

So... STeven's placing himself on sabatical isn't just good for him and the forum, it's a very clear message and a fine example for the rest of us. STeven isn't the only one around here who needs to get a grip. It's time for all of us to begin asking ourselves, "Is what I'm about to say on this forum relevant, useful and offered in the right spirit - or am I just spouting off, impulsively saying what I think without realizing the negative impact it may have?"

Acknowledged! :)
 
STeven, who BTW is still reading all these posts, made the suggestion himself. I hope he'll stick to it and I think he will because I know him to be a man who keeps his word.

I don't hope he will, but I expect he will for the reason you have stated.

None of us is vital to the on-going forum discussions.....

True.

STeven is a great resource, but he is not the only one and I believe he would be much more effective without the prickly exterior - and I think the forum would be better off (with STeven) if he would stop using the "This is the way I am and it isn't going to change" excuse. Nor should we support him or anyone else who invokes that defense.

I like him fine the way he is and don't think his prickly exterior has diminished the value of his contributions to the forums. I find the fact that some are all too willing to advocate at length about how he could be a better person to be bordering on the creepy. I wonder how many of those would be willing to submit to a public character assessment. Actually, I don't wonder.

Anybody can change if they choose to. And if they don't, and what they're doing is too irritating and stiffling, then they will ultimately get voted off the island (for a time, if not forever).

STeven wasn't voted off of anything. This poll (flawed thouigh it may be) suggests very much the contrary. He elected to "take a break" all on his own for resons that were / are his own.

And I'm not talking about just the occasonal obnoxious troll.

STeven is not an obnoxious troll - occasional or otherwise.

Remember, such notables as Les Robertson, Rhett Stidham and Bernard Levine, all notable experts with much to contribute have been made to experience consequences for chronically engaging in behavior deemed detrimental to the health and functioning of a forum.

Yep - that's what we have moderators for. They do their job and they are not shy. Too very many people of late, IMHO, have been seeking to assume the mantle of moderator and dictate to all others what is and what is not acceptable forum behavior.

When someone cannot control their emotions such that the content of a given discssion is pushed aside by the personal conflict and bickering - the persons responsible will ultimately be banned, asked to relocate or get suspended.

Agreed - but that's not what happened here.

At the very least they will undermine their credibility and wind up on a lot of peoples' ignore lists.

Good point - we all have our very own "off button".

For those who have perceived my position in this and similar discussions in related threads as being weak and conflict-avoidant - you are mistaken.

That wouldn't describe my perception of your position in this and other discussions.

Forums are by nature anarchic and anarchy IS the history of the human condition. What's happened on this forum mimics the human condition. Tyrants emerge and are overthrown. Newer, kinder-gentler leaders appear from whom more tyrants emerge. The new tyrants are overthrown etc., etc., etc.

Anarchy? Tyranny? You kiddin' me? This is a knife discussion forum for crying out loud.

I don't think this historical tide will ever be changed at its core, but here in this little corner of the universe, it would be nice if we could see what is happening, recognize it for what it is, let the individuals who need to get it together and tone it down a notch take the opportunity to do so before drastic measures are taken, then meaningful discussion of "Custom & Handmade Knives" will continue. Visitors, newcomers, established makers and new makers will naturally feel more comfortable in participating. A wide variety of issues will get discussed and life will go on.

I don't think anyone disputes that we should all try to play nice.

So... STeven's placing himself on sabatical isn't just good for him and the forum, it's a very clear message and a fine example for the rest of us.

On that we disagree.

STeven isn't the only one around here who needs to get a grip. It's time for all of us to begin asking ourselves, "Is what I'm about to say on this forum relevant, useful and offered in the right spirit - or am I just spouting off, impulsively saying what I think without realizing the negative impact it may have?"

On that we agree.

Roger
 
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