KSF Moving Again

[Motey]

I own and manage retail hardware stores. This kind of place used to be where kids learned to work in summer time, and after school through their high school years, but the constitutionally mandated federal minimum wage + a dollar in Florida makes minimum wage close to $8.50 an hour. I'll never hire the 16 year old that doesn't know how to work, lives at his or her parent's home and pays no bills and has no expenses to speak of for that kind of money. Because the minimum wage even exists means I can't hire that 16 year old kid, pay them $2.50 an hour and then use the other six dollars an hour to pay the medically retired USMC MP that has a wife and three kids the $13 or $14 per hour that I would like to.

Most people in support of minimum wages don't seem to have ever run an actual business where they were signing all of the checks. And they also seem to want to use the police power of government to take from others to their own benefit. Just like gun control, minimum wage laws started out to try to keep black people from participating or competing in our economy after the Civil War. So much of this ends-justifies-the-means mentality has been swept under the rug for so long that many of us don't even know our real history. It constantly confounds me....

 

[rma100]

So you're unhappy because you can't take advantage of young people for your own profit?

 

[rma100]

Wage is how much your work is worth, simple as that. If you were making $10 for job A and someone else was making $5 for job B, then the minimum wage is set at $8, that raises the (artificial) worth of job B. Shouldn't it also raise the worth of job A? The answer is no, but only because job B isn't really worth $8. However, just like has been said above, companies can't leave more skilled/experienced workers feeling undervalued. If anyone is interested enough in this, I could suggest books.

Edit: As an addendum, one issue that often comes up is "but people are worth more than $7.50 an hour". I agree, they are, as people are as a whole extremely logical resourceful and hard working. But that doesn't mean the work they are doing is worth more (or equal to) $7.50 an hour. Some jobs just don't produce enough added value to be worth a "living wage" or a minimum wage of $15/hr. I know one of my current jobs certainly doesn't seem worth $15/hr.

People working for minimum wage are unable to participate in keeping our economy moving forward, other than their virtual slave labor. They can't afford to purchase new cars, meaning less jobs for auto workers. They don't have, can't afford, health insurance, thus burdening the insurance system and the Medicaid system when they are injured or ill. Rather than being thriving participating valued members of society they are trivialized and marginalized by those that barely a step ahead. This is just what the 1% percent wants! Keep the little people at each other so they don't recognize and focus on the real problem. 1% of the people own 90% of the wealth in this country. And they didn't work for it!

 

[sodak]

I own and manage retail hardware stores. This kind of place used to be where kids learned to work in summer time, and after school through their high school years, but the constitutionally mandated federal minimum wage + a dollar in Florida makes minimum wage close to $8.50 an hour. I'll never hire the 16 year old that doesn't know how to work, lives at his or her parent's home and pays no bills and has no expenses to speak of for that kind of money. Because the minimum wage even exists means I can't hire that 16 year old kid, pay them $2.50 an hour and then use the other six dollars an hour to pay the medically retired USMC MP that has a wife and three kids the $13 or $14 per hour that I would like to.

Most people in support of minimum wages don't seem to have ever run an actual business where they were signing all of the checks. And they also seem to want to use the police power of government to take from others to their own benefit. Just like gun control, minimum wage laws started out to try to keep black people from participating or competing in our economy after the Civil War. So much of this ends-justifies-the-means mentality has been swept under the rug for so long that many of us don't even know our real history. It constantly confounds me....

Exactly right.

So you're unhappy because you can't take advantage of young people for your own profit?

It's called providing jobs to train young people, and no, most aren't worth minimum wage when they start out. The onus is on the worker, not the employer.

Good for KSF for moving! I'm not a customer, but I applaud any business that makes a decision to remind unfriendly states that this is still a relatively free country, and we can indeed vote with our feet. I also applauded Magpul for their decision, and I live in CO.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

We can discuss KSF here, including their take on costs.

But discussing the economy in general really belongs in the Political Arena.

 

[Hard Knocks]

This has to be the most bizarre feedback thread I've seen. I humbly request it be locked down.

Edit: Whoops, my post screen was up at the same time Esav. Had I seen your warning I would have stayed out. Thanks.

David

 

[rma100]

Yes, and Consumers can vote with their wallets. Except Minimum Wage workers can't afford to buy anything KSF sells!

 

[22-rimfire]

I thought this thread would have been interesting and opened it in the community forum. It got moved. Guess it really didn't fit. It was not a bitching thread. It was intended to be informational. It doesn't fit here either. So, bye bye.