Kukris and stab ability

That's the reason behind the ring that most models have in the handle.

I'd like to ask the guys who think that a kukri can't stab if they've tried it.

Thank you Cpl :thumbup:.
Danny's & Spectre's caveats are a good ones, but my point(bad pun) is that it is always more about the stabber than what is being used to stab with. ANY blade without a guard is going pose some more risk to the stabber's thrusting hand. But that's what the aforementioned ring helps mitigate. The idea that because Kukhri can't stab like a commando knife somehow is such a deficit to its overall utility and its lethality leaves me shaking my head :confused: Plenty of good bladed weapons out there without guards, throughout history and via various cultures.
 
I don't think Spectre was trying to say it is inferior, just that it isn't primarily stab based, and he's exactly right. Can it be done reasonably safely, yes, but that isn't the primary purpose...and is it as safe as a knife with a guard, of course not.

As for the stab, I think the chances of my using a kukri in combat are as remote as I can imagine, but I think IF that were to happen, the stab would be a good move to know since the way one defends against low line thrusts and the way one defends against chops/slices (primarily by moving) are quite different...never hurts to have a dirty trick up your sleeve. Not to mention you need a good amount of elbow room to chop with a kukri, and the stab works from extreme close quarters. Apples and oranges, they're both good though!
 
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I don't think Spectre was trying to say it is inferior, just that it isn't primarily stab based, and he's exactly right. Can it be done reasonably safely, yes, but that isn't the primary purpose...and is it as safe as a knife with a guard, of course not.

I agree completely. I don't think that he was calling Kukhri inferior at all, just that they need to be used with that awareness of risk in mind. My concern is comparisons of false equivalance: apples & oranges, the importance of skills over tools, & an instinctual self rightous defense of our dear friend, Kukhri ;)
 
George MacDonald Fraser writes of carrying "kukri on hip, and a dirk in his kit where he could get to it". (Quartered Safe Out Here, Light Infantry, Burma WW2)
If you were going in harm's way you had BETTER observe the "one is none. Two is one. Three equals two." rule pertaining anything that might be very neccessary and could be lost or broken.
F-S Commando knife was definately NOT made for heavy use...Spindly/weak tang, point apt to be snapped off....(Broad Arrow-proofed/"accepted into Brit. service" one I owned did just that.)

Then you have the fine motor-skills vs. gross motor-skills thing, and how the former deteriorates under the stress/fear/anger adrenal dump.
We have reacted to being attacked/attacking for so many milleniae by swatting the offending critter or person with a stout stick or a rock in our hands that THAT reaction may be programmed into our DNA.
You can bet that the hillman farmer who split the Himalayan bear's skull with his kukhuri would not have performed a fencing thrust as efficaciously as whacking "brer bear" in the melon like he (the farmer) split blocks of wood for his stove.

Davo

I'me not going to cut the point off my Gelbu Spl., but I think that a heavy "tool/weapon" is going to be used mostly like a cleaver or hatchet, with the point in reserve, kind of like the old fencing masters' "secret stroke", taught only to favored and trusted students, or passed-on to a son.
 
George MacDonald Fraser writes of carrying "kukri on hip, and a dirk in his kit where he could get to it". (Quartered Safe Out Here, Light Infantry, Burma WW2)
If you were going in harm's way you had BETTER observe the "one is none. Two is one. Three equals two." rule pertaining anything that might be very neccessary and could be lost or broken.
F-S Commando knife was definately NOT made for heavy use...Spindly/weak tang, point apt to be snapped off....(Broad Arrow-proofed/"accepted into Brit. service" one I owned did just that.)

Then you have the fine motor-skills vs. gross motor-skills thing, and how the former deteriorates under the stress/fear/anger adrenal dump.
We have reacted to being attacked/attacking for so many milleniae by swatting the offending critter or person with a stout stick or a rock in our hands that THAT reaction may be programmed into our DNA.You can bet that the hillman farmer who split the Himalayan bear's skull with his kukhuri would not have performed a fencing thrust as efficaciously as whacking "brer bear" in the melon like he (the farmer) split blocks of wood for his stove.

Davo

I'me not going to cut the point off my Gelbu Spl., but I think that a heavy "tool/weapon" is going to be used mostly like a cleaver or hatchet, with the point in reserve, kind of like the old fencing masters' "secret stroke", taught only to favored and trusted students, or passed-on to a son.

Thanks for such a good post. Welcome to the forum! An aside: Never have seen any Sykes Fairburn comando knifeor deriviative that could hold a candle to any HI product in terms of durabilty or craftsmanship, HM's Broad Arrow or no... Now a smatchet is a different deal altogether.
 
I know this is an older thread, but I thought I'd follow up with a quick comment. My favorite fighting knife is my 16.5" WWII. It's not my best stabber. but I like what it is.


I find rings on kuk handles to be abrasive on the hands after a few minutes.
 
Three points:

1. You can stab effectively with khukuri. There's a number of ways to do so effectively. For instance, if you have your arm oriented correctly, you can snap your wrist, and the point of the khuk will impact straight on with a CONSIDERABLE amount of force. You can also do a fairly regular stab from a variety of different angles. Just requires adjusting your arm slightly. And, because if you're stabbing point on, the handle will be at an angle, you don't generally have much hand slippage. I've stabbed clean through 3/4" of plywood with an 18" WWII, which doesn't even have a real sharp point. It's plenty effective, especially because of the weight behind it.

2. Yes, a khuk isn't better at various tasks than tools specifically designed for those tasks. But as has been pointed out numerous times, it CAN do them, and do a very good job, and for a better weight per efficiency ratio than carrying an axe, saw, large knife, and small knife, which is what you'd need to lug around to perform comparable tasks to what the khuk can do. It's the survival knife of choice for some of the most rugged terrain on the planet. I'd think that, by itself, should speak to its efficacy.

3. Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knives were designed for soft targets, EG, soldiers wearing not much more than cloth, as was true during the time that Col. Applegate and Fairbairn were developing their system. Modern fighting knives are designed for modern targets, who will be wearing web gear and bullet proof vests, that are generally MUCH more stab and cut resistant. Additionally, modern fighting knives are generally more oriented towards all-around utility. They include glass breakers, and some even have built in wrenches or pry surfaces. Combat evolves, and so do the tools that are the "best" for combat. The FS is great for stabbing into a soft target. But for the kinds of clothing a modern fighter is often wearing, the long thin point on the FS will bend very easily, and is not useful in any other situations other than a fight. So no, it's not the knife that experts recommend any more.

That being said, Khukuri have a long and proud tradition as a fighting knife. In any kind of reasonable situation, a khuk makes a fantastic fighting or survival knife. Not to mention the intimidation factor. Even a thug carrying a 7" fighting knife will generally back off if you whip out a khuk. There's just something about the thought of having a limb hacked off that's worse than possibly being stabbed.

As for the comment about discreet carry, I've got a harness in the works by JRE custom per my specs that offers an upside-down carry behind the back, with a snap closure and quick release to hold it in. Discreet to wear under a jacket, but quick to draw and have in hand. Also keeps it out of the way. Might be a good possibility.
 
Kukri can be used to stab.
The last 20 seconds of this video show a Gurkha soldier kukri training form, the second section of three strikes ends in a stab.
One of the reasons I got into kukri was for their utility as a weapon.
If you find yourself in the position where a stab would preclude the use of a strike, well, stab away...
Good form too, notice how the first move for drawing the knife from its sheath is itself an offensive strike.

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Bill
 
I love the way the guy in the middle finishes off his imaginary opponent with an epithet at the end and then flicks the blood off of his kukri with a flourish.
Nothing like really enjoying yourself when you're wreaking havoc.

pete
 
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