Large Regular Sebenza Review

Cliff Stamp said:
If you really can't understand this then how about this deal :

I will make you a knife, I will show you a review which describes that it will out cut the Sebenza, has better edge retention, is massively tougher, the lock is much stronger, and more secure.

The knife is only $5. Now here is the kicker - I do not guarantee any of these things with the knife you will recieve. In fact I strongly recommend that you do *NOT* do any of them with the knife, if you do it voids the warrenty.

Are you still interested?

-Cliff
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If there were tons of users who have already purchased that knife and said that it has performed to the same level as described then you can put me down for a dozen of them. A single review means nothing to me, a large loyal following of knife users who continually rave about a product however does. I don't trust a magazine review and frankly I don't trust your oppinion any more then anyone else's. One oppinion is just that, but a chorus of similar oppinions from many different people is usually a good description of actuality.
 
slide13 said:
One oppinion is just that, but a chorus of similar oppinions from many different people is usually a good description of actuality.
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I've noticed interesting opinions about CRK. Recently, there were a couple of new owners whoe expressed different sorts of dissatisfaction, decided to sell the knives, going to E-Bay -- and then came back in a few days and changed their minds and took them off the market.

What's happening here is that the Sebenza, like any knife, is not for everyone. But it is so different from most, so much one-of-a-kind in quality and function, that it can take getting used to.

There are those who never buy one or part with theirs with no hard feelings, and there are others who cannot pass up any opportunity to try to smear the reputation of what they cannot understand.

Using loaded terminology like "inferior" and doing so again and again over post after post in one thread sounds frankly like propaganda to me. If the point had been made, the constant poking would be unnecessary. If the point is merely word games, the games will never end.
 
Some people just always like to bash the Sebenza.

I don't like Benchmade as a company, but I don't bang on about it any more. I just look for different products and companies with a philosophy more in tune with my own. Chris Reeve Knives are in tune with what I want in a knife making company. Integrity and honesty, just like Spyderco.
 
slide13 said:
If there were tons of users who have already purchased that knife and said that it has performed to the same level as described then you can put me down for a dozen of them. A single review means nothing to me, a large loyal following of knife users who continually rave about a product however does.
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When I first went looking for a large 9-10" working blade I asked dozens of people about Busse vs McClung, I got responces left right and center claiming insane levels of performance.

I heard everything from being shot, used as diving boards and personal guarantees over every spectrum of the gamut you could think. Not one, I will repeat not one picked Busse over McClung. There was also not one complaint about McClung.

So I felt fairly safe and didn't actually speak to the manufacturer and personally see if he would support these claims - they were after all made on his forum, by his dealers, by his friends, on webpages, etc. .

When the knife collapsed, what was all of that worth. Nothing. What was it actually built on. Nothing. Lots of people claim to do lots of things with knives, much of it never actually happened.

Look to see what the manufacturer will actually support. Time and time again I have read outstanding reviews, forwarded them to the makers/manufacturers and time and time again they refuse to guarantee the same level of performance.

1000 people can say the same hype, it doesn't make it true.

I like reading reviews, a lot of them are informative. However when it comes down to making a decision based on performance, I look at what the manufacturer will guarantee. it isn't even an issue, if they don't know what the knife can do, or do know and won't say it - well I'll pass as there are lots of maker that do, and will.

As for inferior being trollish or whatever, that just indicates cult worship. Every time you say the Sebenza is superior you are directly saying another knife is inferior, those terms only have meaning in a relative sense. But that is ok of course, just don't go the other way.

I have held and used a Sebenza, it is inferior to a lot of knives in many respects as noted in the above. Flicking isn't the only issue, it isn't even the most critical one. All knives are inferior to all other knives in various repects. Knowing what it can do well and what it can't do well are equally important.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, just a question- I'm not trying to get flamed here or do the same, I'm just asking because I'm curious- What do YOU carry and use as a folder and fixed?

Sincerely,
Anthony
 
I usually carry quite a number of knives, essentially what ever I am currently reviewing plus a few standbys (SAK, Supertool and Micra).

-Cliff
 
"I heard that the new standard for testing a folder's lock strength is to spine-whack a dead horse with it."
James K. Mattis

Looks like it is the test for flicking too. . . .
 
Personally I dont flick my stuff , thats what the thumdstud is for . I dont personally care much about warranties , I just want stuff that doesn't screw up . If I pull a bonhead , I would never claim warranty , why should the maker be punnished for my boneheadedness . Outfits like Strider have great warranties . I wanted , I meam really wanted a Strider Gen.6 SNG . The feedback I got was that it is a good idea to check over several, and/or have some trusted vendor select one for you . ( but dont worry , the Strider guys will fix /adjust it for you . ) For nearly $700.00 Can. ( landed in Canada ) , there is no way I will go for that Cr@% ! Needless to sayI went with a large regular Sebenza ! We can argue all night about design and philosophy , but I dont recall hearing too many stories of out of the box QC issues with Sebenzas .
 
cdf - You won't get many out of the box comments about Sebenzas, unless positive. The only problem with Sebenzas is price. They cost a pretty penny and it always comes down to value. If Sebenzas cost as much as Benchmades you'd find fewer detractors, if they cost as much as Opinels you'd find none. Sebenza envy starts with the quality of the product and ends with what CRK's can command for their product. Few others compare, but whether or not they are worth it depends on an individuals sense of value.
 
Is the Sebenza a fine folder? Yes, without a doubt.

Does it have very nice fit-and-finish? Better than most.

Does it actually cut better than other folders? Better than some and worse than others.

Does it have the strongest lock? No. Nearly any "Butterfly knife" style of folder (like the Benchmade Balisong) is a stronger lock.
And a well-made lockback like the Chinook is certainly as strong.

Is the blade-steel the best? Better than some and worse than others.

Is it the most comfortable to use? Better than some and worse than others.

I could go on and on, but the conclusion is always the same.
The Sebenza is superior to some knives in certain aspects, but is inferior to other knives in certain aspects.

But it remains ONE of the best knives in production.

Allen.
 
I finally got the Maxx, regarding the statement by Reeve that the Sebenza can take flicking as well as any folder, it is obvious that he has never handled one of Ralph's designs, nor has anyone else that would agree with such an unfounded opinion. The Maxx's design spreads out the impacts out over two wide surfaces, with the pressure reduced by the circular contact. I would be very surprised if you could significantly impact the titanium handles with such the weight of the blade alone flicking, you have to smash in two 1/8" pieces of Ti. It actually cuts well too.

-Cliff
 
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