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Agreed migo,
The assumption is that hopefully we'll be first, which is a conditioned mindset.
I know that unless a tendon has been severed, which would prevent holding the knife or an imminently fatal wound has been received (making my explanation moot), injuries do not stop the engagement and have very little impact on a person who has trained himself to perform simple and effective techniques as I described.
My experience with martial arts, which translates to this fairly well I think, has shown me that the first time anything happens, it rarely goes to plan. I'll do techniques well in light sparring, but then jack it up to heavy sparring and I start screwing up. Get accustomed to that and I can do fine there. Then I actually go into a competition, which is a step up as it's someone really trying to hurt me and they're not my friend, and I again screw up, until I finally get used to the pressure.
An actual assault situation would be the next up from there, and getting injured badly a step up from that. So I don't doubt that eventually someone could get the hang of it, but given the lethality of knife attacks (something like a 35% fatality rate), there's a decent chance that you're dead before you get the hang of it.
That's the crux of it - pretty much everyone's a rookie with a knife. Not screwing up assumes you're not a rookie.
I think another thing that'll come in is whether you get stabbed first, and then have the adrenaline hit, or get the adrenaline running and then take the stab. I'm pretty sure that the first one would be pretty crippling, while the second one might give you a chance.
An actual assault situation would be the next up from there, and getting injured badly a step up from that. So I don't doubt that eventually someone could get the hang of it, but given the lethality of knife attacks (something like a 35% fatality rate), there's a decent chance that you're dead before you get the hang of it.
That's the crux of it - pretty much everyone's a rookie with a knife. Not screwing up assumes you're not a rookie.
I think another thing that'll come in is whether you get stabbed first, and then have the adrenaline hit, or get the adrenaline running and then take the stab. I'm pretty sure that the first one would be pretty crippling, while the second one might give you a chance.
let's just say that your life is hanging in a balance, caught up in what appears to be a life threatening situation... in most instances there is no knife to talk of "for self-help", and the situation doesn't look particularly good - the only sane option would be then, is to sprint away, at the first opening available.
understand this, that there is no clean fight between strangers.
injury cannot be prevented once it's becomes a physical engagement.
perhaps picking up a cheap bottle of something each time we hit the streets may help boost the odds a little...
awfully curious if there are any conclusive studies which shows just how much the odds are improved in surviving a modern urban environment by having carried a knife 24/7?
if only we had lived in Bowie's time...
understand this, that there is no clean fight between strangers.
injury cannot be prevented once it's becomes a physical engagement.
perhaps picking up a cheap bottle of something each time we hit the streets may help boost the odds a little...
awfully curious if there are any conclusive studies which shows just how much the odds are improved in surviving a modern urban environment by having carried a knife 24/7?
if only we had lived in Bowie's time...
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Agreed migo, been there.
Done that - way too many times.
Agreed again, my post was probably best kept for a martial arts forum with sections on FMA. I feel however, that it never hurts to share some nuggets with whoever cares to learn and practice them. You would make a good candidate for learning this if you haven't already.
For most this is correct GIRLYmann
I only know my experience with carrying 24/7 in an urban setting. 3 handgun experiences and 2 knife draws - no shots fired or cuts needed. The first downside of living in Bowie's time that came into my mind after thinking "cool carrying weapons w/o a hassle" - was no toilet paper or showers!! :barf:
Peace out you tough guys!
Personally it fits in my hand better than any I have carried. I am 6' 5" and have monkey hands. A little extra girth is not bad (that is what she said any how). So I find it the right fit for me.
I look at the G23 as the Swiss Army knife of the pistol world. There is a huge after market following from about any major manufacture of accessories. You can purchase after market step down barrels for it. So you can simply exchange the barrel out and convert it to a 9mm or 357sig. You can do this with out any other modifications to the pistol. Also you can exchange the magazines. So just swap out the barrel, throw in the appropriate mag and wham you have your self a new pistol. Talk about versatility.
One more major bonus, they are accurate as all heck.
If I may check this video out of Hickok45 shooting one out to 230 yards!
http://www.youtube.com/user/hickok45#p/search/0/zFd3kF6LHz4:thumbup:
You can not really go wrong with a Glock. I hear a lot of clamor about these guns, mostly positive and some negative, the negative mostly comes from those who have never shot one. I have buddies pick up my Glock, never having shot one before, and pull really nice groups using Mart ammo. :thumbup:
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you guys should head to practical/tactical and check out some of mercops threads, it is right up your alley. He knows his stuff.