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Law Enforcement Duty Belt Knives - GTG Knives ?
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Yup!
To me, the strap cutter looks like it is set up in such a way that it would dig right into the bottom of your palm. As to sharpness, it had better be sharp! If it isn't sharp, what is the point. If it is sharp it looks like it will cut you given its intended purpose (emergency back up). Look at the options I mentioned. If you want a strap cutter you can get one of the many benchmade models which are very good.
If this is a weapon to be snatched at for an emergency weapon, the pointed hook is definitely going to be part of that. If you have sharps resistant gloves the hook may give you better traction insuring that you were able to draw the knife. If not, it may just tear up you hand so much you'll let go.
Not sure why you are getting upset about this. I used "PD" when I should have said "LE" because Sheriffs and Highway Patrol are also not police departments. I was simply saying that many state, federal, county and municipal law enforcement agencies are increasingly replacing .40 and .357 Sig pistols with 9mm.
As stated in the article I posted "Executives at all the major ammunition companies have confirmed that law enforcement orders for 9mm ammunition have spiked in recent years, and the cartridge is making a serious comeback." Since there is no database of what the 20,000+ LEAs are doing, all we can go on is sales and the fact that firearms journalists keep saying it is happening.
I don't have an emotional investment in what cops are assigned to shoot. Neither should you. Please stop making this into something personal when it isn't. I am simply repeating something that has been discussed so much in the last two years that I'm surprised it is news to you.
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Not personal at all, but "spikes in 9mm sales" and "seems like a lot" are pretty darn far from concrete evidence of any drastic caliber dump. I asked for verification and you can't provide the info to back up what you said; nothing personal at all.
I just wanted to make that clear.
I just wanted to make that clear.
Even though I started this thread looking for info on knives (thanks to all who have commented and made recommendations), I will go ahead and add some fuel to the fire and soil this thread some more.
If you wondering about a caliber dumb by LEO agencies of .40, just do a simple search for Glock Police Trade-in's. I am more of a gun person than a knife person and am always looking for deals. It used to be that G23 and G22 police trades were way overpriced but would sell out quickly (they are a lot more reasonably priced and seem to be staying available longer; coincidence - me thinks not). Could departments be replacing .40's for .40's - don't really know / don't really care, but seriously doubt it. Anybody who has looked into it knows the FBI report gives more than enough legitimate reasons to switch to 9mm, and PD's, Sheriff's Dept's, State PD's, etc will follow in mass.
Before anyone calls me a hater - I am not a .40 hater. I say go with a lower grain (135 to 155) - higher velocity round rather than jumping on the FBI bandwagon and getting rid of your .40's before it is time to replace them. Doing this gives you an excellent round that is less prone to over penetrate, which is in my opinion the main fuss. Service life of the .40 is not as long as 9mm (but civilians likely need not worry as it is way more rounds than most people would ever go through) and it is not a reason to get rid of them too soon . With any of them (Thor's hammer - I mean .45 included) it comes down to shot placement, and how fast and accurate you are with followup shots.
If anyone is interested there is a great article (case study) of an officer involved shoot out (with a .45) in the March/April edition of American Handgunner, that really makes the case for how critical shot placement is. It also makes a decent case for carrying as much ammo as you can manage. Check out the Ayoob Files in the edition linked here - http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHMA16/
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Shot placement is key, I remember a shooting a few years back of a guy taking 4 or 5 rounds of .357 MAG and killing the officer? with a .22.
Physics is difficult to argue with though, larger diameter leaves bigger hole. And having spent many hours firing many calibers in both the army and civilian world I am a believer in more bullet than less bullet.
There is also the training aspect and I get that as well; 9mm is easier to shoot than .40 and for LEO who go to the range twice a year easy is better. As far as ballistics lighter rounds often struggle with barrier penetration such as heavy clothing or auto glass, yea auto glass has been known to deflect bullets. And while no pistol round is immune from the possibility of deflection the lighter rounds are indeed more prone to it.
I don't doubt many police departments do what ever the FBI does and will probably follow suit in caliber changes. That doesn't mean a damn thing though as far as one caliber being "better" than another though.
And am also a believer in carrying as much ammo as one can carry, although the difference between 9mm and 40 is 2 rounds in full size glocks.
In the end I don't really care what departments do what... I was just asking for some factual numbers on the apparent mass ditching of the .40 which could not be provided.
Physics is difficult to argue with though, larger diameter leaves bigger hole. And having spent many hours firing many calibers in both the army and civilian world I am a believer in more bullet than less bullet.
There is also the training aspect and I get that as well; 9mm is easier to shoot than .40 and for LEO who go to the range twice a year easy is better. As far as ballistics lighter rounds often struggle with barrier penetration such as heavy clothing or auto glass, yea auto glass has been known to deflect bullets. And while no pistol round is immune from the possibility of deflection the lighter rounds are indeed more prone to it.
I don't doubt many police departments do what ever the FBI does and will probably follow suit in caliber changes. That doesn't mean a damn thing though as far as one caliber being "better" than another though.
And am also a believer in carrying as much ammo as one can carry, although the difference between 9mm and 40 is 2 rounds in full size glocks.
In the end I don't really care what departments do what... I was just asking for some factual numbers on the apparent mass ditching of the .40 which could not be provided.
So let's be clear: There is no proof that .40 guns were ever popular with police, either. And when you can provide such proof, please post that.
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Just got in here... I've seen more G22's in duty holsters than any other model. Now this may be anecdotal but i worked for one of the largest city dept's in the country where the 4500 officers purchased their own guns and had a choice of anything from 9mm/.38 to 10mm/44 mag. Next most common gun was P229 in .40.... You can decide the relevance.
Agreed, I've also seen more G22's than anything else. The question that hijacked this thread is whether or not it is going to stay that way. I decided to do a little more research found the article below from January. Not that the author is completely authoritative, but he is widely respected and well connected. I think this is the quote that best sums it up:
"The wave of '.40 to 9mm transition' is high enough to surf on, but is not by any means a tsunami thats going to sweep larger-bore service pistols out of American police work. Indeed, theres a smaller wave rolling in the opposite direction."
https://americanhandgunner.com/40-sw-fading-from-police-service/
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Texas DPS has dropped the .357 Sig in favor of 9mm but stopped purchasing M&P's for reliability issue...NOI. There's a major hijack!
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I missed this, are you freaking kidding? You really do just like to argue. Somehow I feel no matter what you'll find another point to argue; spyderholes, calibers, whatever.
I'll be engaging you less and less. Keep up the argue anything till you are blue in the face and you'll find others also just ignoring you. It isn't a good attribute.
I'll be engaging you less and less. Keep up the argue anything till you are blue in the face and you'll find others also just ignoring you. It isn't a good attribute.
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No experience with GTG. I've got a little gerber dagger that clips on to my duty belt. I clip it on the inside, and it rides behind the grip of my pistol. Not really concealed, but you would have to be looking for it. I also carry an HK Entourage with a skeletool in my inside pocket. The gerber is nice because if it is ever lost, damaged, or destroyed it is not an expensive one to replace.
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I've seen an old school dagger that was bent in a slight curve and with a special curved sheath that velcro'd between inner and outer belt. Maybe 25 years ago, no scales and a hole in the tang like an izula. About a 3" blade... Google gave me nothing, they were sold at cop shops, specifically marketed for LE as a last resort knife.