Leatherman Core Review - don't walk away, RUN!!

biggiep said:
Why do you have to experience something in order to affirm its existence?
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Well, in this case, yes. You contend that the hole in the blade weakens the blade, possibly to the point of failure. Do you have any evidence that they are, in fact, failing as a result of the design?
 
Hey guys, let's give biggiep a break. Yes his review is pretty one sided and not very objective. Yes, his points are pretty..... wierd. Yes it seems like he's LOOKING for reasons to complain about this tool. Yes his "superior" comments are childish and inferior to a well thought out argument. Yes his view that the Wave's blades are weak because of the holes are good in "theory", but unrealistic in application (what the hell are you doing with the blade that it's going to break, prying with it? That's not what the tool is for. ANY knife will break if used the wrong way.) Yes his statement about his not buying swiss army knives, he buys swiss tools when confronted about other companies using the same tools on their different lines of tools is dumb as hell (swisstool and swisstool spirit use the same tools as well there, big guy). Yes, this thread is Trolling along, but be that as it may, that's what we are here for, to express our views and opinions on tools and knives and what not, and he does have the right to express his as well.
 
He does have the right to state the above facts as he sees it. And the only thing that I can say is that if you hate it that much please feel free to email me and I will gladly give it a new home. I had wanted one of these for a while and I would really give it a good work out.
 
This is a good post. I learned a lot about the Leatherman Core that I never knew, both bad, and good.

I'm still considering buying one.
 
allenC said:
So you really don't care how your multi-tool actually performs....right:rolleyes:
Silly of me I know, but I want a multi-tool that actually performs well, regardless of its appearance.
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I never said I didn't care, I just said that that wasn't what I was complaining about. Don't put words in my mouth.

allenC said:
There is no indication that the use of plastic in this particular tool will actually shorten the period of the tool's usability.
There is only your suspicions that it might.
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I don't see how you can't understand that plastic is not as hard as metal. Plastic wears away faster than metal. That is the indication. If plastic was as good as metal, the entire thing could me made of plastic. Why don't we just use plastic knives, plastic pliers and plastic guns?

allenC said:
This sounds like the old anti-plastic rants that folks said about the M16 and the Glock and the Spyderco Endura.
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You're talking about guns, I'm talking about multi-tools. Why are these things even comparable? They're used for different applications!!

allenC said:
You're right, effectiveness is not always the the best way to evaluate a product...but it is of utmost importance in a multi-tool.
After all, if the tool simply does not work, then no other factor really matters.
What's the value of a broken Rolex to a man who needs to know the time?
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I'm expressing my opinion of the Core: bad design, bad materials, and a skepticism of its long-term usability. Most importantly, the competition makes tools of similar usability and reliability, use much better materials, and are also sold at similar prices. In that sense, the Core sucks. If you can get a Core at $20, maybe $30, the Core would be wonderful.
 
ElCuchillo said:
Yes his review is pretty one sided and not very objective.
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Reviews can never be objective. Reviews are biased by definition. If you want something objective, read a product description.

ElCuchillo said:
Yes, his points are pretty..... wierd.
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Sometimes I respond via analogies or metaphors in order to highlight the ignorance of the people I am responding to. It is understandable that you might find them weird and esoteric, and I am perfectly willing to explain any statements to you if you point out ones you don't understand.

ElCuchillo said:
Yes it seems like he's LOOKING for reasons to complain about this tool.
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Nobody's looking for reasons to complain, I just inadvertently found them when I was disgusted by the Leatherman Core.

ElCuchillo said:
Yes his "superior" comments are childish and inferior to a well thought out argument.
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Why is my perfectly good review "childish" and "inferior" while your flaming isn't?

ElCuchillo said:
Yes his view that the Wave's blades are weak because of the holes are good in "theory", but unrealistic in application (what the hell are you doing with the blade that it's going to break, prying with it? That's not what the tool is for. ANY knife will break if used the wrong way.)
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The Wave knife will break more easily than the knives on other multi-tools, even the Core itself. Simple as that.

ElCuchillo said:
Yes his statement about his not buying swiss army knives, he buys swiss tools when confronted about other companies using the same tools on their different lines of tools is dumb as hell (swisstool and swisstool spirit use the same tools as well there, big guy).
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My good sir, it's not that the actual tools should be unique. Obviously you can only make a can opener look a finite amount of ways- but the long ridges on the back of the plier head are really distasteful in the sense that you know they're there for no reason.

ElCuchillo said:
Hey guys, let's give biggiep a break.....Yes, this thread is Trolling along, but be that as it may, that's what we are here for, to express our views and opinions on tools and knives and what not, and he does have the right to express his as well.
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What are you doing that's different from the other people on this thread? All they're doing is disagreeing with my opinions, not trying to censor them, as are you. You think adding some sort of intro or motif to your rebuttal alluding to free speech makes you look cool, and that's incredibly pathetic.
 
shecky said:
Well, in this case, yes. You contend that the hole in the blade weakens the blade, possibly to the point of failure. Do you have any evidence that they are, in fact, failing as a result of the design?
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Doing that would be pointless. I can tell you straight up that I know 50 people whose Wave blade failed, and you can tell me that 50 people you know have had their Waves for a decade, used them to save orphans from burning skyscrapers, and are still in brand spanking new condition. Point is, the Wave blade is more fallible than the blades of other multi-tools, explained by physics.
 
What in the world kind of work would you have to do to break the wave's blade because of the hole? Spyderco has been using opening holes for decades and you never hear of failures because of the hole.
 
allenC said:
Biggiep,

Did you check out my trade list?
Did you see anything that you would like to trade for your Leatherman Core that you hate so much?

Here's the link again:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=444922

Thanks,
Allen
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I looked, and thanks, but I'm not interested in anything. Moreover, I'm not a bad enough person to give you a travesty of a product, despite your propensity to misinterpret my opinions. :D

hardheart said:
all folding knife blades have a hole in them, why won't you guys read the sign
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What the hell are you talking about, no they don't. Please stop wasting forum space with your worthless messages. :thumbdn: BOOOO!! HISS!!! :thumbdn:
 
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all folding knife blades have a hole in them, why won't you guys read the sign

What the hell are you talking about, no they don't. Please stop wasting forum space with your worthless messages. BOOOO!! HISS!!!
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I think Hardheart was referring to the pivot hole found in all folding knives.
So, yes, technically all folding knife blades DO have a hole in them.

Anyway, let me know if you change your mind on the trade.

Good luck,
Allen
 
That's even dumber. How can you compare a tiny pivot hole to the 1 cm slot in the Wave blade?
 
yans said:
He does have the right to state the above facts as he sees it. And the only thing that I can say is that if you hate it that much please feel free to email me and I will gladly give it a new home. I had wanted one of these for a while and I would really give it a good work out.
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I second this notion, if you hate the Core so much, please donate it to someone who may really want, and more importantly, NEED one. :thumbup:

I would even be willing to pay for the shipping/postage costs. No problem! :D
 
hardheart said:
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Forgot about the sign. Very true.
 
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