Leaving negative feedback for buyers who back out of deals on the exchange??

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I have a question about leaving negative feedback for buyers on the exchange?

If they give you a firm I'll take it, and exchange paypal addresses or mailing addresses, then before anything ships or money exchanges, can you or do you leave negative feedback for them, if they back out on the deal?

Lately I've had a bunch of buyers like this, i've had them say "lll take it" several times in the sale thread and emails, then l've seen them post questions at 3 am on here about the knife (after they told me they will take it and exchanged payment addresses) and a few people answered their question about the knife, saying "X knife" isnt the best knife for whatever they want to use it for, so I get an email later saying they changed their mind and dont want the knife.

I've had a another guy on here said he sent the money order and havn't replied back to me in 3 weeks, i sent several PM's and I've seen where he came online, but didnt reply back to me. I never did get the money order and he obviously didnt send it, but didnt have the guts to reply back and said he changed his mind.

I've had another guy on here made me an offer on a knife and I agreed on the price then came back to say he didnt want the knife after I agreed on the price.

I understand people change their minds, but on these types of situations, do you give these guys negative feedback, even if no money is exchanged?
 
No deal no reason to leave feed back of ANY kind, just don't do business with the flakes in the future.
 
Never have had this happen and I've sold a fair amount of knives here. If it did I would be inclined to NOT leave negative feedback for something like buyers remorse.

Poor communication and lack of payment might be something else. For one thing I won't take anything but PayPal goods for payment.

Probably a case by case situation. I hope this is NOT a new trend.

Mike
 
sechip said:
No deal no reason to leave feed back of ANY kind, just don't do business with the flakes in the future.
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This is correct.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=746&a=98
SECTION 4 - Rules for Feedback -
1. All feedback on sales or trades must be kept to the Feedback Forum and/or iTrader.
2. It is not mandatory to leave feedback, but it is highly recommended. It serves an important purpose sharing your good and bad experiences with the community. If you need help ask us, we can help.
3. We will not edit feedback for you unless it's an obvious error (ie negative rating). You can report it using the black triangle button on the iTrader page.
4. Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner.
5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave.
6. Threads started in the Feedback: G, B, & U section should contain facts that support your reason for starting a thread. 7. Remember there is a difference between opinion and fact. Keep your topic civil or hold off posting until you've composed yourself. Complaining about a person that has exercised their rights as a seller or buyer does no good, and it may backfire on you.
8. You need to be able to communicate in a clear, accurate, and organized manner. Insults, vulgarity, racist comments will not be tolerated whatsoever.
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I never have left negative feedback before on situations like this. I read the feedback on a guy i've dealt with on here just recently where someone gave him negative feedback for "Buyer backed out of deal to pay for other deals he made after ours". I wanted to get some opinions on this.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Let me propose facts that are not given or given clearly in the OP

Say the (hoped to be) seller solicited an offer to buy.

Then the (claimed to be) buyer made an offer to buy.

The seller accepted the offer.

The "buyer" then has "buyer's remorse" and says he has changed his mind.

"Deal" or no "deal"?
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It seems pretty clear that BFC's rules are different from the rules of contract law. As you know, most of these cases create an enforceable contract. Offer>acceptance>consideration... For whatever reason, BFC has an eccentric view of things in this context. In my opinion, "a deal" did happen if a buyer accepted the offer to sell. The buyer's changing of his mind doesn't negate that fact. I fail to see why negative feedback would be inappropriate, never mind a violation of the rules.
 
HappyDaddy said:
It seems pretty clear that BFC's rules are different from the rules of contract law. As you know, most of these cases create an enforceable contract. Offer>acceptance>consideration... For whatever reason, BFC has an eccentric view of things in this context. In my opinion, "a deal" did happen if a buyer accepted the offer to sell. The buyer's changing of his mind doesn't negate that fact. I fail to see why negative feedback would be inappropriate, never mind a violation of the rules.
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Agreed. There are a lot of flakes running around with perfect feedback.
 
budthachud said:
Agreed. There are a lot of flakes running around with perfect feedback.
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As long as no one lost property or money, our rules say you don't leave iTrader FEEDBACK.

If you had a flake who really took up a lot of your time but walked away without a word, you can leave feedback in the FEEDBACK / GBU forum. Please don't use it because you're annoyed over a quick exchange of offers that didn't work out.
 
No "opinions" on this are needed. The rules here are quite clear on feedback. If people are answering questions about your item in your sales thread, report them as the rules for crapping in someone's sales thread are quite clear as well.

It sucks when people back out but there is not much you can do about it. If it becomes r a pattern or bugs you enough you can start a thread on them here.

What I do to combat this issue is never mark an item spf or sold until I have the money. The first person to pay is who gets the item. Always reserve the right to sell to whom ever. Also say prompt payment is expected. And last, something that some people won't like, only accept paypal goods. With a MO you will need to wait days to tell if someone has flaked out on you, all the while taking your item out of availability for potential actual buyers.
 
READ the rulz. (correction--TRADITION and integrity of "Ill Take It" applies here)
NO MONEY exchanged hands.
NO NEED to leave feedback of any any nature.
PERHAPS placed on your and NOW MANY OTHER Ignore List.
I feel...MY OPINION now.
I for one would like other persons name..Privately if you wish.
I have been in a BIG way building my IGNORE LIST
It is sad..BUT so needed..TO protect myself and others from Idiots that
dont follow thru..
THE list and issues need to be brought here...
As you are doing..
Feedback..Leave if you have a true DEAL.
Not exchanges of PMs and or emails.
NO DEAL is done until items and or $$ is in the process
or a done deal.
GOOD for you you came here.
A GREAT deal of flakes and immature members in here as of
the last 6 months..ITS getting worse
Stick with the WINNERS......
 
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To me, "I'll take it" is an irrevocable agreement. If a person's word is no good, that person is no good.....
 
Thomas Linton said:
Not that clear to me. Oh, ""No deal until both are satisfied" is clear enough, but the application ?
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"No deal until both are satisfied" is not a Bladeforums rule. Many members consider it a tradition they will follow as a matter of personal integrity.
 
I'm sitting on 4 knives that people have flaked out on without another word.
When's it okay to sell them without concerns of retribution in feedback?
I've got to move these things. ;)
 
Barman1 said:
I'm sitting on 4 knives that people have flaked out on without another word.
When's it okay to sell them without concerns of retribution in feedback?
I've got to move these things. ;)
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The next day. Give it 12 hours maximum, then sell to the next buyer. If a buyer tells you it may take, say, 24 hours to pay, give him a break, but don't sit on it any longer. If they aren't ready to deal, they shouldn't be holding you up.

As far as retribution, if they haven't sent money before you sell to someone else, and they leave negative iTrader feedback, they are asking for an infraction. We haven't been pushing this, but too many flakes lately and we really have to consider it.
 
I've had this happen to me a few times and is usually with unpaid members with zero feedback I've never seen around the forum anywhere. It's annoying to say the least and why I went to the "must pay within X amount of time or goes to next buyer". As someone who will drop what I'm doing to get a package out to a buyer as soon as possible, I think it's fair to ask for a prompt payment. And giving a time frame for payment absolves you from retribution when you've clearly stated your terms and move on to a serious buyer.
 
This the answer. Make your terms clear. Stay with your program. Forget them if they don't care enough to take the transaction as seriously as you do.


"usually with unpaid members with zero feedback I've never seen around the forum anywhere" and then when you move on they want to know why they don't get no respect. It's too bad, but by the time they figure out that answer for themselves, nobody is willing to take a chance on them anymore.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
This the answer. Make your terms clear. Stay with your program. Forget them if they don't care enough to take the transaction as seriously as you do.


"usually with unpaid members with zero feedback I've never seen around the forum anywhere" and then when you move on they want to know why they don't get no respect. It's too bad, but by the time they figure out that answer for themselves, nobody is willing to take a chance on them anymore.
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This is excellent advice.

Make your terms clear as far as how quickly you expect payment/communication, and if that doesn't happen move on.

You can't make an 'I'll take it' turn into a complete transaction, and while it is very frustrating, 'members' that practice this kind of behaviour usually don't last too long.

I suggest that if you notice one particular person that does this with frequency, you can report them to the Mods, and I am sure they will handle it accordingly.
 
I agree with the no feedback applies . Things come up and people change their mind what are you going to do.. Tar and feather them. I have had to back out once or twice. Sometimes you get spooked by the way a seller conducts themselves during the coarse of a transaction . That is where you can play the I reserve the right to sell to whomever I choose code.
 
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