LEO knife suggestions

I take it that the on-duty EDC is not for "tactical" purposes . . .more of a utility folder. Lots of good stuff out there at every price point.

My civilian bystander viewpoint, your expectations and needs regarding performance are at a more critical level than mine. When our son was about to deploy to an active combat zone, I didn't get him a run of the mill knife, I got him a Randall (and others, but that is a long story)

So, w3Why not go all-in and spend the several hundred dollars it will take to get one of the Chris Reeve folders? Some folks will say it is overpriced, but it will be about what you would pay for a back-up gun and is about as good as you can get from any maker quality wise.

Don't know how it works for LEOs, but I would think it should be considered a business expense like work clothes.

Stay safe. Thank you for what you do.
 
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First of all, I don’t claim to be an expert. I’m not a High Speed Low Drag operator, DT or knife fighting instructor, just a cop of 17 years… and a knife guy. I’ve thought about it quite a bit over my career to formulate a conclusion that makes sense and works for me. Your thoughts may differ.

Frankly, actual cutting chores needing easy one-handed operation are pretty few and far between in day-to-day police work. Most cops carry cheap tactical-looking garbage because they’re not knife people, and it’s just an afterthought for them because they may need to use a knife at some point, or someone told them they should. A lot of times I see those cheap, imported liner lock assisted openers with a seat belt cutter notch in the handle. I’m not sure why, but cutting seatbelts is a common argument of want/need for first responders for some reason. In my experience, I’ve been to innumerable MVA’s and had to cut exactly, ummmmmmm, zero seatbelts. Maybe I’m just lucky. That said, I’m sure pretty much any knife would manage the task if needed, and it wouldn’t require a specialized seatbelt cutting tool. Breaking glass? Sure, that’s a need sometimes. I’ve got lots of better tools for that, where I don’t personally don’t need to rely on a barely adequate glass breaker built into the pommeI of a knife. Maybe others might. I personally hate the argument of buying cheap knives because they could get lost or damaged, but I know it’s also a very common one. Could you imagine if that was your agency’s reason for selecting a sidearm? Much like a gun, a lost cheap knife is exactly as dangerous as a lost good knife if the wrong person gets a hold of it, so mind your gear. For me, the disadvantages of carrying a cheap knife do not come anywhere close to eclipsing the advantages of carrying a good one. Now, I’m not advocating carrying a $1000 art knife on duty, because I do believe there is a point of diminishing return due to use, abuse, and environmental conditions on duty, but, it seems to me most of my brethren can’t bring themselves to spending $200 on a good knife, yet they will buy expensive cool guy operator sunglasses, watches, flashlights, trucks, guns, liquor, freakin Yeti coolers (?!?!?)…. Love ya brothers, but you know it’s true. Aaaaanywayyyy.

I carry a SAK in my cargo pocket, mostly for the screwdrivers, because those actually do come in handy, but it is not my primary “duty knife.” That honor goes to my Benchmade Presidio 5000 Auto, which I’ve carried for several years now. Think I even got it off the Exchange here, lol.

The first “cop” knife I ever bought myself was a Kershaw Blur, which served me well for about four years until it broke. After that, I tried out several manuals, to include a Spyderco Endura, BM 710, Cold Steel Lawman, Recon 1, ZT 0562, and others I’m probably forgetting. I always felt like I couldn’t open any of those with my off-hand very readily without a lot of deliberate thought and/or added dexterity. They were fine for general cutting tasks, but I couldn’t shake the thought that I may not be able to deploy them hastily and positively during a high-stress situation. I can deploy the Presidio lickety-split with either hand, it’s a good, useful size, I like the shape and fit in my hand, and it’s fairly robust.

I firmly believe a duty knife should be a durable and useful cutting tool for general purpose, as that’s what it will likely be used for most. That said, I also firmly believe it should be a viable SD tool, with positive opening/locking being paramount, because it could possibly have to be pressed into that role, even if it is unlikely, or may never even happen at all in one’s career. Although unlikely, if it does occur, THAT is something you only get one shot at. If a knife fails to open or lock during general use, I will live with it and have plenty of second chances to adjust and try again. That opportunity may not exist in the event of an actual SD situation. So, here’s my rationale:

While a fixed blade would be ideal, I’ve heard some agencies don’t allow them on the uniform. Additionally, many HSLD types tend to put their fixed blade right on their chest rig, right in everyone’s view. I personally don’t like that, because it’s now in the face of whomever I may be interacting with, and, therefore, a possible target of opportunity for them to grab and try to use against me if our interaction turns less than positive. My folder stays clipped in my off-side front pants pocket (opposite side of my gun), and may not appear as “in play” since it’s fairly out of immediate view. It’s also where I’m generally used to carrying a folder when I’m not at work, so, there’s probably some important muscle memory in that.

Again, IMO only, during a SD gun-grab defense situation, a folding duty knife should always OPEN and lock reliably when deployed with the off hand. I don’t care one bit about how easy it is to close. What most people fail to realize is these situations are high-stress, quickly unfolding, and usually result in a tussle that ends up on the ground, which is never fun, or ideal.

Double action OTFs, do offer the fun and convenience of fast, one-handed operation when unimpeded, BUT can fail to fully deploy and lock open with minimal obstruction (something in the way of the blade on its way out, or something crudding up the mechanism), or even just with simple inertia during deployment. These are quite plausible to be an issue in an actual event. If it doesn’t open and lock out, the knife is now completely useless. On top of that, should it fail to deploy, it takes two hands to pull an OTF blade back on track, which you might not have if your other hand is busy guarding your gun.

Easy, one-handed operation during general cutting is great under non-stress circumstances, but again, I absolutely DO NOT CARE about closing the knife one-handed if I’m fighting for my life. If I’m using my knife in this context, it’s already a bad day, and one-handed closing isn’t going to make it any better, however I absolutely want the blade to open fully and lock open sturdily. I can use two hands to close it when the situation is over.

Personally, I prefer side-opening autos. Not only are they usually a good shape and size for general use, but, once activated, coil spring tension is going to drive the blade toward the open position, with a higher likelihood of it locking open. Even if it doesn’t completely lock open, the blade should be held toward the open position with spring tension, moreso than on a manual. With a manual opener, a flubbed deployment is going to potentially leave you with a loose blade flopping around haphazardly, with nothing pushing it away from your fingers, which could be more dangerous to you than the bad guy. It’s definitely not something you want to have to worry about in the midst of all that. I prefer Axis autos because they are ambidextrous. I can actuate the axis release from either side. Most push-button openers are right handed operation, but my off side is my left side, so I want to be able to actuate it with my left thumb.

While I like and appreciate the Wave opener as a manual option, and it definitely does usually result in a positive lockup, you must have room to draw it backwards out of the pocket. Standing upright, this isn’t usually a problem, but it might be difficult, or even completely impossible, if you end up on the ground. In that case, you’re back to a manual opener using the thumb disk and the concerns mentioned above now apply again.

Again, this is what works for me. Others may have differing viewpoints to mine, or agency policies/orders which would preclude my ideas as being good practice for them. In any event, whatever works or makes more sense to you, it is always important to practice and become proficient, otherwise it’s all moot.
 
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I appreciate the feedback! I'm a serving Marine reservist, no high speed shit, just a college student who happens to play machine gun lugging grunt a few days a month, and like you, just so happen to be a knife guy, a lot of the guys I serve with are EMT's, Firefighters, Cops or Construction Workers, all professions that you would think need a decent knife for daily use, along with their obligations to the Marine Corps, but the amount of shitty $5 "EMT knives" that I've seen, just like you described with the seatbelt cutter and everything that don't even lock properly anymore or are as blunt as a plastic mallet is astonishing. My thinking for an OTF is that when your motor skills have gone to shit because adrenlaline is pumping through your body faster than water over Niagara falls, and your brain is moving at a million miles per second, the easiest motion to do is push the switch on the knife. Even if it doesn't fully deploy because it somehow got dirty inside, a quick flick of the wrist will always make sure it's locked out. I usually carry a fixed blade on my gun belt when out in the field, but as you stated, I don't know if a fixed blade without a very good retention system is a good idea as a LEO, as that's something someone could easily take from as you're wrestling them to the ground, potentially turning a nonlethal situation lethal. By contrast, as a Marine, if I'm ever wrestling a rando to the ground, I'm probably fighting for my life anyways. The only thing that really stops me from keeping my Microtech UTX-85 in my pocket as a secondary knife in the field is how easily it gets gunked up with mud and sand. As a cop, I figured you wouldn't really be rolling around in the mud and sand all too often, making that less of an issue. I've seen videos of people lightly batoning with a microtech OTF, throwing it around, hammering it tip first into wood, so I think it can take more abuse than it gets credit for, and if for whatever reason I ended up as a LEO out of college, that would probably end up being my carry. But then again, I don't have your 17 years of experience in law enforcement, I appreciate your well written out response.
 
I appreciate the feedback! I'm a serving Marine reservist, no high speed shit, just a college student who happens to play machine gun lugging grunt a few days a month, and like you, just so happen to be a knife guy, a lot of the guys I serve with are EMT's, Firefighters, Cops or Construction Workers, all professions that you would think need a decent knife for daily use, along with their obligations to the Marine Corps, but the amount of shitty $5 "EMT knives" that I've seen, just like you described with the seatbelt cutter and everything that don't even lock properly anymore or are as blunt as a plastic mallet is astonishing. My thinking for an OTF is that when your motor skills have gone to shit, the easiest motion to do is push the switch on the knife, even if it doesn't fully deploy because it somehow got dirty, a quick flick of the wrist will always make sure it's locked out. I usually carry a fixed blade on my gun belt when out in the field, but as you stated, I don't know if a fixed blade without a very good retention system is a good idea as a LEO, as that's something someone could easily take from as you're wrestling them to the ground, potentially turning a nonlethal situation lethal. By contrast, as a Marine, if I'm ever wrestling a rando to the ground, I'm probably fighting for my life anyways. The only thing that really stops me from keeping my Microtech UTX-85 in my pocket as a secondary knife is how easily it gets gunked up with mud and sand. As a cop, I figured you wouldn't really be rolling around in the mud and sand all too often, making that less of an issue. I've seen videos of people lightly batoning with a microtech OTF, throwing it around, hammering it tip first into wood, so I think it can take more abuse than it gets credit for, and if for whatever reason I ended up as a LEO out of college, that would probably end up being my carry. But then again, I don't have your 17 years of experience in law enforcement, I appreciate your well written out response.
Thank you for your service.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Microtechs. I carry an Ultratech off duty quite a bit, and have had several other models over the years. The quality and durability are definitely there. I don’t doubt their OTF’s capabilities when locked open, but if I can eliminate as many variables while equipping myself, such as a blade going all floppy and not locking open when I might need it most, then I’m going to. It’s my own parameter, others might disagree.
 
While I enjoy OTFs, I won’t carry one on duty, and would never suggest one for my fellow LEO’s. That said, I do know a few who carry them.
I carry an Infidel as a backup knife but I agree that an OTF that fails to deploy due to some sort of interference is suddenly useless.

OP there are some great suggestions here, if you are comfortable with the spyderco opening hole stick with it. It is my preferred opening method as well and as I mentioned I carry a spyderco tenacious daily and occasionally a spyderco police.
 
I carry a leatherman wave as well but I am in semi-plain clothes and don’t wear a full duty belt or load bearing vest. I also have a lot of latitude in what I can carry as I am not a police officer and only have LEO powers for marine fisheries and boating law enforcement.
I don’t mind the 8CR but the knife can be had with S35V as well. The liner lock is solid and the knife is basically a poor man’s paramilitary IMO.
I do carry an auto from time to time on my off side (either an infidel or afo2) and currently prefer a plain edge due to the ease of maintaining it and even after 6 months of daily carry it has not shown any rust or corrosion and the blade coating has held up well.
You can’t go wrong with Spydero, Benchmade or Cold Steel. Good luck choosing a knife.
 
If you're looking for something possibly a little more solid lockup wise over the pm2, might i suggest the zt 350? Possibly a benchmade adamas? I love otf knives, but they do gunk up. A zt 452 is a different beast variety wise...

Possibly a Hogue ex01? X5? Hogue is kind of underappreciated i think...fine knives, great designs.
 
I know this thread is old but it is a good one to keep around so here's my .02$

I'm a low speed high drag broken down mechanic by trade. I've spent 20+ years working on vehicles, equipment, garbage trucks, and all sorts of tooling. I spent 13 years working in arctic oilfields in Alaska. So my conditions can't be much more 180 than yours but I have spent more than my fair share of time trying to deploy a pocket knife in the mud, wedged between a frame and a drive line, literally upsidedown, in -50 ambient temperatures, hanging out of access holes, and many more situations people generally say I'm not doing that before walking away. So for what I can offer experience wise is

Otfs take a fair amount of debris to lock them up where they won't fire but when they do missfire in a situation where your in a tight spot or for you on the ground or in a situation with a unsavory character your better off trying to throw the knife at your problem than get it open.

Wave opening is great, I love my Matriarch it's great for zip ties boxes wiring harnesses... Ect. Right up until you are trying to get it out of your pocket when you're not standing upright. Then you pull out a half open knife in the I want to close on your fingers position... Awesome.

Side opening autos are great if they have a good spring. I've had issues with the we'll get there some day Benchmades and Gerbers not fully opening after hitting something part way through the swing. Now I have a Benchmade Claymore I bought several weeks ago and it opens with force. Not an issue for me as I have great hand strength but it's been dropped 3 times now by coworkers that don't take the warning "hang on to it, it opens with force" to heart. The claymore will finish opening when it's clear of the obstacle as will protechs. The claymore has more safety and hold ability to it though if you find yourself in need of it. I'm no fighter but it's a pocket knife I'd like to have for the occasion if I can't run away.

I am a big fan of the Spyderco hole especially on the models with a heavy handle. I carried a police with stainless handle for many years. They are great to grab the hole and flick open if needed. Gloves can make things difficult to hold the handle and push the blade out. Or just frozen hands.

I liked my old recon one but it definitely required two hands to close. That was a problem for me. Probably not for you. Great knife otherwise.

The crkt m16-14le circa 2006 was a great knife. The only crkt that was worth its weight. They have to be handpicked because so many crkt's are crap out the door. The secondary auto lock was a great feature. I beat the hell out of that knife for about 6 years as my daily oilfield knife. It had occasion to be a gasket scraper, wire cutter up to #8, prybar, hammer, and all sorts of other things. But you can't just order one and hope it's good. I tried 3 other times to get another and failed.

Could you carry something like an izula on a static line and carry it in a pocket? deploying it just becomes a pull. I carry an izula on my belt in the 10 o'clock position. (Last place you would carry one) but it comes in handy having a small fixed blade that is always open.

Good luck and thank you for your service.
 
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Very sophisticated...don't you know? (I'd expect no less from our worthy gentleman.)

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Another recommendation for the CS recon (I like the spear point). Good steel, good HT, practical in your role and as indestructible as a folder can be.
 
My brother was LEO, I gifted him a 2000's era leathermans many years ago and he was still using it when he retired(well I should say when he was indefintely suspended as he wouldnt submit to the vaccine mandate in our country). He said it worked well on the job.
 
Former patrolman here. Been out of that line of work for almost 30 years, so I don't know what it is like today. My only expected need for a knife on patrol was for use as a potential seat-belt cutter. We were usually first on-scene to traffic accidents, well before paramedics or fire department, who had the big-boy tools. Never once in 15 years did I need to cut a seat belt. I had no visions of using it as an alternate weapon.

One requirement was a sheath that would fit the Sam Browne uniform belts of the day. Buck 110 was pretty much the standard among officers in my department, who carried a knife at all. It fit on the uniform belt on the left side, behind the radio swivel and baton ring, in front of the handcuff case. After maybe 4-5 years of carry, I replaced it with a Gerber Bolt Action folder, which was much lighter. Never used that one either. Still have both.

I got more use out of a Leatherman PST I kept in my briefcase. The various screwdrivers and the pliers came in a lot more handy. I mean after all, you are mostly driving around in a car that you share with others for 8 hours a day which has various pieces of equipment bolted on - radios, sirens, light switches, computer mounts, etc, and the occasional screw or cable mount needed tightening.
 
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