Les George Assassin

I just picked one up today. I love it. Solid build. I prefer a steel lock interface, oh well. I don't plan to beat on it. Just a good weekend knife. It definitely won't be living up too it's "Assassin" title.
 
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Wilson Combat Henchman
 
If you ever had to use this knife to actually defend yourself the name of this model is a D.A. s dream in court. :oops:
 
skyhorse said:
If you ever had to use this knife to actually defend yourself the name of this model is a D.A. s dream in court. :oops:
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Completely off topic and sorry if this disrails this thread a little but I've seen this comment several times over the years.. while I agree the name is stupid and "mall ninja'y" can anyone site a case where this was actually an issue? Everyone always brings this up but has it really affected the outcome of a trial???? Ever....
 
steelhead seeker said:
Completely off topic and sorry if this disrails this thread a little but I've seen this comment several times over the years.. while I agree the name is stupid and "mall ninja'y" can anyone site a case where this was actually an issue? Everyone always brings this up but has it really affected the outcome of a trial???? Ever....
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You're kidding right ? If you're ever unfortunate enough to be charged in a self defense senario they'll throw anything out there that sticks.
 
skyhorse said:
You're kidding right ? If you're ever unfortunate enough to be charged in a self defense senario they'll throw anything out there that sticks.
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Lol your kidding right...prove it. Site a case where someone defended themselves, and it was a good justified defense, and got convicted cause of the name of their knife. I could see if they had stickers all over it saying die die die as thats all visual thing but I seriously doubt anyone is going to look up the name of the knife and throw it out there. And I'll still ask for someone to just find a case where this happened. Where it was a completely justified situation to defend themselves but the name of knife was the only factor that screwed them. There isn't one. Its such paranoid bs. And I hate the name of the knife btw but I hate seeing this comment more, If you ever have to defend yourself good luck in court cause your knife is called assassin...lol . Yeah sure..
 
What, no wave open feature? The invisible ninjas/pirates will be all over you before you get either item deployed.
 
steelhead seeker said:
Lol your kidding right...prove it. Site a case where someone defended themselves, and it was a good justified defense, and got convicted cause of the name of their knife. I could see if they had stickers all over it saying die die die as thats all visual thing but I seriously doubt anyone is going to look up the name of the knife and throw it out there. And I'll still ask for someone to just find a case where this happened. Where it was a completely justified situation to defend themselves but the name of knife was the only factor that screwed them. There isn't one. Its such paranoid bs. And I hate the name of the knife btw but I hate seeing this comment more, If you ever have to defend yourself good luck in court cause your knife is called assassin...lol . Yeah sure..
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I can't cite a case where that's the only factor between guilt and innocence or a stretch in the big house...but I will tell you that character assassination in the courtroom is real. Even if objected to and ruled upon by the judge, the purpose is to get something before the jury because they know they won't forget hearing it.

For example, in a case where I had arrested an individual on a large narcotics case, the defense first accused me of shooting the defendant, then beating the defendant and whatever else they could come up with. None of it was true but they figured they'd muddy up the facts for the jury and give them something to wonder about. Naturally, the judge and the U.S. Attorney admonished the defense for the falsehood, but the attempt was made.

Courtrooms are a theater of sorts...and one has to be prepared for nearly any eventuality. Just a cursory study of cases these days will demonstrate the lengths that are gone to, even absent evidence to support the claims made.

I'd want the best odds on my side. YMMV.
 
For anyone who ever has to testify in court, either as a defendant or witness during a serious offense, it can be the most theatrical, mud-slingy-est, and harrowingly stressful situation you might ever experience. Aside from presenting the actual evidence of the crime, the part of the process to show intent exists to convince the jury that you are either guilty or incredible as a reliable witness, and the prosecution will definitely throw any known information out there that can aid in that endeavor. That said, I have never in my career seen, or been party to, a case where the model name of a knife came into play... yet... but the size, shape, and other perhaps “tactical” features have, and will continue to be emphasized. Such features are evaluated by cops on the street, too, when they may apply in providing probable cause for an arrest or citation.

Juries love physical evidence, and the scarier it looks, typically the more effective it will be to foster a perception. I can’t imagine how bad it would look if a defendant was on the stand and it was found out the knife he used was called the “Assassin”. Any prosecutor would be remiss if they didn’t at least try to use that. Unfortunately, the burden of proving the knife is any less dangerous than a Nerf Fluffynator Puffball 2000 AND the defendant’s character to use such an “obviously dangerous item designed only to assassinate someone given its name” (quoted for courtroom dramatics, which are a thing) would be upon that defendant and his defense team. It may not be a common occurrence, but it’s a “no thanks” for me just the same since it’s easily avoidable by not carrying such things.

As a LEO, heck, even in my off-duty life, while there may be no existing precedence behind it... yet... this is the very reason I personally shy away from skull/death-oriented, or otherwise negatively connotating identifying accessories that may provide a perception of me as a self-proclaimed badass with a penchant for death or intent to harm others if provoked, no matter how cool it might look. I carry my tools for self defense and the defense of others. I keep them pretty well stock and their associated accessories looking very ordinary for that very reason. I sure as heck don’t want my name on such case law.

Just my .02
 
steelhead seeker said:
Lol your kidding right...prove it. Site a case where someone defended themselves, and it was a good justified defense, and got convicted cause of the name of their knife. I could see if they had stickers all over it saying die die die as thats all visual thing but I seriously doubt anyone is going to look up the name of the knife and throw it out there. And I'll still ask for someone to just find a case where this happened. Where it was a completely justified situation to defend themselves but the name of knife was the only factor that screwed them. There isn't one. Its such paranoid bs. And I hate the name of the knife btw but I hate seeing this comment more, If you ever have to defend yourself good luck in court cause your knife is called assassin...lol . Yeah sure..
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Take some lethal force training from an accredited state law enforcement academy and get back to me .:)
 
skyhorse said:
Take some lethal force training from an accredited state law enforcement academy and get back to me .:)
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Lethal force training? Like the training I got in the army? Probably not... what any lethal force training would have to do with the name of a knife being used in court is beyond me but good to know your a real life bad ass.
 
steelhead seeker said:
Lethal force training? Like the training I got in the army? Probably not... what any lethal force training would have to do with the name of a knife being used in court is beyond me but good to know your a real life bad ass.
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I think he may have been referring to the fact that liability and, increasingly, public optics are generally covered quite comprehensively in law enforcement UOF training.
 
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