Less Is More: The Official Becker Fitness Thread

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Qeth has contacted me about it and can manage it if he wants.

I'll have to pass, I don't think I'll have the time to regulate, Beckerheads be cray cray :P Seriously though, I think once we have set the point conversion, we'll be set and I can go ahead and start a preliminary "who's interested?" thread, and then start up the challenge on the first.

That said, we'd love some feedback on the point scoring ideas.

Nice, Qeth. What's wrong with scoring kettlebells with reps though?

Thanks. I guess we can keep the same weights scoring system for kettlebells as well. Depending on the scoring method though, it may take longer. And damn, now I have to COUNT my reps? 95% of my stuff is timed :P
 
For point system, I vote for modified block system.

Definitions:

Light rep: a rep that can be done 20+ times without resting.
Medium rep: a rep that can be done 10 times, with reps 8-10 being challenging
Heavy rep: a rep that can be done 5 times, with reps 3-5 being very challenging
Very heavy: a rep that can be done twice

Scoring:

100 light reps = 1 BP
50 medium reps = 1 BP
25 heavy reps = 1 BP
5 very heavy reps = 1 BP

(CF brought up that the heavier sets with less reps does not necessarily mean more effort than less weight and more reps. I agree. Lowering either reps or weight means you can increase the other to keep intensity up.)

Post workout, tally up everything and see how many points you have. Tally everything DAY OF only; nothing done another day counts.

Example 1:

Back/ bicep routine
Back exercise 1: medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps
Back exercise 2: medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps
Back exercise 3: medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps
Back exercise 4: medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps

Bicep exercise 1:medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps
Bicep exercise 1:medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps
Bicep exercise 1:medium weight, 8 reps per set, 3 sets = 24 reps

Total 168 medium points

(168 medium points)/50 = 3.36 BP

Obviously, it won't always be this simple, as a lot of workouts will have a mixture of light, medium, and heavy sets.

If you did some walking, running, biking etc, those go towards the move your butt thread.

Some extra thoughts:

It might be a challenge to determine what category of weight you're using, especially the in between rep range (12, 6, etc).
This can be applied to body weight stuff as well. If you can do 50 pushups in a go, it's a light weight. 10 pullups straight, it's a mid weight.

What's everyone's final vote?
 
I like the system proposed. That's about what I was looking for. As far as body weight exercise goals, we may want to try to set individual goals for ourselves in addition to the Becker points goals.
 
Excellent.

For BP goal per month, what's everyone thinking?

Everyone who wants to weigh in, please do so.
 
For point system, I vote for modified block system.

Definitions:

Light rep: a rep that can be done 20+ times without resting.
Medium rep: a rep that can be done 10 times, with reps 8-10 being challenging
Heavy rep: a rep that can be done 5 times, with reps 3-5 being very challenging
Very heavy: a rep that can be done twice

Scoring:

100 light reps = 1 BP
50 medium reps = 1 BP
25 heavy reps = 1 BP
5 very heavy reps = 1 BP

Post workout, tally up everything and see how many points you have. Tally everything DAY OF only; nothing done another day counts.

Some extra thoughts:

It might be a challenge to determine what category of weight you're using, especially the in between rep range (12, 6, etc).
This can be applied to body weight stuff as well. If you can do 50 pushups in a go, it's a light weight. 10 pullups straight, it's a mid weight.

What's everyone's final vote?

Sorry to bail from the brainstorming for a bit, life got busier.

I like the proposed system, Qeth. You're right, some rep ranges will need defining. Physiologically, there's not much difference between a set of 7 reps and a set of 12 reps; they both primarily target the same muscle fibers and the same energy system. Because of this, I propose opening up the rep ranges as follows:

Light - 15+ reps
Medium - 7-14 reps
Heavy - 3-6 reps
Maximal - 1-2 reps

I know this drops the 'light' category by five reps. However, based on everything I've read, there's little phsyiological difference between 15 and 20 reps (this is a purely slow-twitch muscle fiber range, which primarily causes increased endurance) whereas the body responds somewhat differently to a 10-rep exercise (this range triggers muscle mass and some endurance response.)

Every rep range will have some bleed-over in adaptive response, but certain rep ranges have been consistently found to generally trigger a primary type of adaptation.

As for weekly Becker Points goals, there are many ways we can group the goal. Two that come immediately to mind are:
- one mass amount of points for ALL resistance exercises
- one amount of points for upper body exercises and another amount for lower body exercises

I'm partial to the single weekly point total, because it'll be easier to manage. My own goal is to increase my weekly reps of bodyweight exercises, primarily push-ups, pull-ups, and crunches, so a total point allotment works well for my goals. Of course, my voice is one of many. What do y'all think about weekly or monthly goal points? The MYB averaged out to 1.67 miles/points per day, which was quite feasible. We all broke it up according to what worked best for the individual situation. MYB was a monthly goal, but mileage can accrue somewhat easier than lifting points. All that rambling leads me to the conclusion that I believe this resistance exercise challenge should have a weekly goal instead of a monthly goal.
 
Light - 15+ reps
Medium - 7-14 reps
Heavy - 3-6 reps
Maximal - 1-2 reps

I am ok with that, no impact on my stuff. Any other comments/ concerns on these ranges from the rest?


As for weekly Becker Points goals, there are many ways we can group the goal. Two that come immediately to mind are:
- one mass amount of points for ALL resistance exercises
- one amount of points for upper body exercises and another amount for lower body exercises

I am in favor of grouping everything together and not separate upper vs lower. Exercises such as burpees, clean and jerks, TGU, etc overlap.

I think I'll start up a beta test for one week once the system is ironed out more.
 
I'd rather not do weekly goals, if only because some weeks may not work as well as others. Life intrudes. Better to allow everyone to fit their exercise goals in as necessary.
 
I'd rather not do weekly goals, if only because some weeks may not work as well as others. Life intrudes. Better to allow everyone to fit their exercise goals in as necessary.

How do you feel with TT's scoring system?

For the beta, I'll set it up so we do as much as we can do until Dec 31; we'll kick off the real thing Jan 1. We may only have 10 days to beta :P
 
I was a tad busy on Saurday and Sunday and couldn't post, but jogged/walked 8 miles on Saturday to complete 50.5 BPs just before the deadline! went to that thread now but found it closed. Anyway, had to post it somewhere lol.
 
The beta wll start in a couple of days, I want one or two more beta testers.

What do you guys think about punching bag drills for scoring? A single punch (even a 3 combo) is much easier than the light category.

Case in point:

I did heavy bag drills today:

Combo (1-2, 1-2-1, 1-2 roundhouse, etc) for 20 seconds, 10 seconds rest. Repeat 8 times, for a total of 4 minutes. After 4 minutes, one minute rest, and then repeat the 20 on 10 off with another combo, again for 4 minutes. Rinse and repeat until 6 4-minute sets are done. Counting each completed combo as 1 rep, I end up with 656 reps; I feel 6.56 points is way too high for the effort I did.

If we add movements like punches and kicks and similar drills, how does everyone feel about 200 reps (1 combo is a rep) = 1 point? That would put my 30 minute bag drill workout at 3.28 points.
 
You guys keep it up with the good ideas. Come beginning of the year, I'll probably lock this one down once it's served its Beta purposes.
Between this thread, the upcoming fitness thread, and the upcoming Move Your Butt thread, that's a lot of "Off-Topicness" at once.

So... as you were. But don't get too attached to this thread for the long haul. It's done its job by spinning off a couple of really good challenge threads.
 
I was a tad busy on Saurday and Sunday and couldn't post, but jogged/walked 8 miles on Saturday to complete 50.5 BPs just before the deadline! went to that thread now but found it closed. Anyway, had to post it somewhere lol.

Good job, zulu! I understand the need to memorialize successfully completing the challenge :thumbup:
 
You guys keep it up with the good ideas. Come beginning of the year, I'll probably lock this one down once it's served its Beta purposes.
Between this thread, the upcoming fitness thread, and the upcoming Move Your Butt thread, that's a lot of "Off-Topicness" at once.

So... as you were. But don't get too attached to this thread for the long haul. It's done its job by spinning off a couple of really good challenge threads.

I was going to start a new thread for beta. Would it be more appropriate to use this thread instead?
 
I was going to start a new thread for beta. Would it be more appropriate to use this thread instead?

If you go ahead and start the beta thread, I can just lock this one down and let the beta thread do its job. Just let me know.
I don't care. All this stuff benefits the members, and fitness should be part of an outdoors conversation. I just don't want Becker to become the fitness subforum. :D
 
INPUT FOR BETA TEST

Today I did a weight routine that is new to me and I'm still experimenting with it. (It's from Joe Manganiello's book Evolution. It's all about high reps with "low weights". Today I did a total of 272 reps of various exercises. If I call all the reps "Light Reps" per Qeth's definition then that would be 2.72 BP's and I am totally OK to call all today's reps "light reps".

But that is because on the first set of every exercise it was easy to come up with 15 reps. But the program I'm doing calls for as much as 7 sets of every exercise. Today I was doing 4 - 5 sets only but on the last set it was really really hard to get to 15 reps. So my question is do I call reps on the last set or two "medium" or do I stick with calling them "light" since they were easy on the first set.

Just thought I would raise this question now rather than later; and trust me if you think they should all be "light" that's fine with me.

Thanks

Steve
 
If you go ahead and start the beta thread, I can just lock this one down and let the beta thread do its job. Just let me know.
I don't care. All this stuff benefits the members, and fitness should be part of an outdoors conversation. I just don't want Becker to become the fitness subforum. :D

I will use the this thread as the beta, you can lock that down on the 1st.

INPUT FOR BETA TEST

Today I did a weight routine that is new to me and I'm still experimenting with it. (It's from Joe Manganiello's book Evolution. It's all about high reps with "low weights". Today I did a total of 272 reps of various exercises. If I call all the reps "Light Reps" per Qeth's definition then that would be 2.72 BP's and I am totally OK to call all today's reps "light reps".

But that is because on the first set of every exercise it was easy to come up with 15 reps. But the program I'm doing calls for as much as 7 sets of every exercise. Today I was doing 4 - 5 sets only but on the last set it was really really hard to get to 15 reps. So my question is do I call reps on the last set or two "medium" or do I stick with calling them "light" since they were easy on the first set.

Just thought I would raise this question now rather than later; and trust me if you think they should all be "light" that's fine with me.

Thanks

Steve

I'd still call it a light rep, as you can still hit 15 even after the 5+ sets of 15 before it. If it dropped down to 13-14, I'd say it's your call if you want to recategorize.
 
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