I just acquired a great piece of sambar that's about 3/4 of an inch too short. Seems like it might set up good for some Scagel-esque spacers. Looking at a 8 or 9" OAL hunter style knife. Several areas of interest are the variations of the butts of the knives, i.e. cap vs. no cap, threaded/takedown vs. glued, and the nature of the guards. I've seen some where both the guard and pommel were bigger around than the handle. Yucky, IMO. Also, what spacer materials were used? Were they usually in symmetrical patterns, or random? Anybody got any good Scagel pics to help me along?
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love where this is going!
here's a start; http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=scagel+knives&FORM=HDRSC2
here's a start; http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=scagel+knives&FORM=HDRSC2
Thanks, Lorien. I'm a google guy, not a bing guy, so that got me some more pics than I had seen.
This is one of the only true Scagel ones I saw that had any flow to the design. Most looked wonky to me, with the lines all broken up.
Here's one by PJ Tomes, MS. He consistently seems to do symmetrical spacers.
Image searches so far show that nobody's built one like the one I have in my head
This is one of the only true Scagel ones I saw that had any flow to the design. Most looked wonky to me, with the lines all broken up.
Here's one by PJ Tomes, MS. He consistently seems to do symmetrical spacers.
Image searches so far show that nobody's built one like the one I have in my head
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Mike Malosh does really nice work on almost exclusively Scagel style knives. Here's his site:
http://www.chaserhandmadeknives.com/
He posts here from time to time. Maybe he can help you out.
http://www.chaserhandmadeknives.com/
He posts here from time to time. Maybe he can help you out.
Here's an original from the Lucie collection. Note the asymmetrical spacers of leather and brass, and the natural cut butt end without a cap.
I've seen a few of the Malosh knives in my image searches. Good work!
I've seen a few of the Malosh knives in my image searches. Good work!
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The best thing about Scagels is you don't have to follow any set rules as far as a handle is concerned. You can make it symmetrical or not, it really can and sometimes does either way. My website is more than a few years old (it's in the process of getting re-done) and those knives are pretty old but the materials I use are brass, aluminum, copper for the metals and horse hide leather is i use leather spacers and G-10 or Micarta for colored spacers. I use typically black, red, dark brown, natural and white. All different thicknesses. If you like PM me your address and I will send you some of my spacers.
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Second knife was made by James Behring.
I received the following from Paul Kessler:
This was a knife that Dr. Lucie made. I have been told that Dr. Lucie considered this one of the finest Scagel style knives that he has made.
The leather spacer's in the handle were originally from William Scagel's shop.
This photo of the knife is in Dr. Lucie's book about W, Scagel.
I have spoken with Dr. Lucie often and have become friends with him.
After his book was published Dr. Lucie asked me if I would consider selling this knife back to him so that he could pass it on to his daughters.
I did sell it back to the family.
Please feel free to post this photo to your thread on the Forum.
Thanks, Paul, for your contribution.
This was a knife that Dr. Lucie made. I have been told that Dr. Lucie considered this one of the finest Scagel style knives that he has made.
The leather spacer's in the handle were originally from William Scagel's shop.
This photo of the knife is in Dr. Lucie's book about W, Scagel.
I have spoken with Dr. Lucie often and have become friends with him.
After his book was published Dr. Lucie asked me if I would consider selling this knife back to him so that he could pass it on to his daughters.
I did sell it back to the family.
Please feel free to post this photo to your thread on the Forum.
Thanks, Paul, for your contribution.
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These ones are inspired by Scagel except they fold.
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Not Scagel knives and I'm not a knifemaker, but I had the same problem with a too short, but great Sambar taper.
The solution was Fiber- and Sambar spacers.
The taper was used in rehandling of a production hunting knife from Fallkniven.
I did two at the same time, one for me and one for a fellow forumite.
The endcaps are solid fileworked nickelsilver, fastened with a threaded tubescrew.
The pith core is cut out and replaced with epoxy & microballoons.
I prefer both glued and mechanical assembly of the handle.
As dense antler and metalwork adds to the overall weight, I had to cut off 25% of the protruding tang in order to maintain the balance.
To attach the threaded screw to the tang without welding, I used a similiar technique as seen used in a WIP by ABS MS Steve Culver.
I used a chainlink from a bicycle and a shacklescrew.
The knives still balances at the indexfinger and takes a beating to the endcap with a mallet.
Leaving the pithcore open, isn't as strong as a metalcap.
The pith will take a compression, if used tip first on wood with a baton.
My friend used his knife, ( the one with sambar spacer) on two Moose this Autumn.
He reported that the knife worked to his very high expectations.
Regards
Mikael
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Scagel inspired 9 1/2" bladed heavy fillet knife just finished in time for Christmas.
I got a nice Sambar taper at our knife club Christmas exchange, but it was too short. What do you do with short stag? Make a Scagel, of course. After the thread above, now it's time to show the knife I made.
This knife is 1080 carbon steel, mill scale on the flats, 600 grit satin finish on the bevels. In true Scagel style, the guard and butt cap are brass, with fiber, leather, and brass spacers. This knife is held together with a threaded rod and nut under the butt plate, and the butt is pinned on with four pins. Good luck figuring out where the pins are. This is as close to as flawless of a guard fit as I've ever done. OAL is 10" with a 5 1/4 blade.
Profile
Tip looking back
I like big butts and I cannot lie
No gaps!
Take a plunge, even
This knife is 1080 carbon steel, mill scale on the flats, 600 grit satin finish on the bevels. In true Scagel style, the guard and butt cap are brass, with fiber, leather, and brass spacers. This knife is held together with a threaded rod and nut under the butt plate, and the butt is pinned on with four pins. Good luck figuring out where the pins are. This is as close to as flawless of a guard fit as I've ever done. OAL is 10" with a 5 1/4 blade.