Let's All Be Honest With Ourselves

I usually carry both. When you are seated in your car, and need to open something, whether it's an envelope or a new cd case, getting to that slipjoint at the bottom of your pocket will be difficult. A clipped folder comes out quick and easy.

Throughout my day, each knife will have a time to shine. In the lunch room, a fancy mammoth slipjoint is ideal for fruit duty. In the lab opening a tough double-taped bag of samples in ice, a one-handed frame lock makes the most sense.

The coolness of high-tech materials, wonder-steel and monster sized blades appeals to the kid in me. the comfort, familiarity, nostalgia of a traditional slip joint appeals to the mature me. I am both.
 
One hand opening has been great when I'm holding something which needs to get cut. When I worked a stint installing signs, there were times up in the bucket truck where the ability to grab the knife out of the pocket, make the cut, then return it to the pocket without letting go of the thing needing to be cut, was very handy.
Sometimes you don't have two hands available.
 
I suppose it really depends on what kind of work needs to be done, but there are only two folders I use for 'real work': the box-cutter in my toolbox and my Svord Peasant for doing stuff in the yard...

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I like folders for convenience. I typically carry both a slip-joint (usually a SAK) and a locking one-hander. I consider the one-hander my 'back-up' knife and the slippie handles most of the EDC type chores. If I had to choose only one, it would be the slip-joint (no contest since I use it the most!)
 
I think the utility of pocket clips and one handed opening is undebatable. I like the thin blades, carbon steel, and affordable prices of traditionals, though. And I don't think a lock is necessary, either.
One of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Spyderco Native Slipit is that it combines all the features I mentioned above. (Except for carbon steel, but that's fine. There's nothing wrong with properly heat treated stainless.)
 
To each their own. Different people have different needs in a knife based on a wide variety of variables.

At my work (warehouse, shipping) I carry a fixed-blade, a one-handed folder, and a box-cutter. I use different tools at different times for different reasons.

Sometimes seconds matter. Like when a truck driver for a shipping company is on a deadline and is about to leave and I've got a $5000. order that HAS to go out that day or it will cost the company (my boss) BIG BUCKS and I need to cut something fast using one hand because I'm holding something in my other hand that I can't put down. The fixed-blade would be fast on the draw and for the cut, but I would have to look to get it back in the sheath without dropping it on the floor or stabbing myself in the ass. Not to brag, but I impress myself sometimes with how fast I can pull my folder, open it, cut something, than close it and slip it back in my pocket with one hand without even thinking about it, much less having to look at it.

Sometimes a few seconds can cost thousands of dollars. And if you use your knife a lot at work, all those seconds can really add up into significant time, and money.
 
I think the same way in that traditionals "go with" Fall too.
I love slipjoints, especially in the Fall for whatever reason. Carry one in addition to modern folder every day. I use the slipjoint around people I don't know well, that's the beauty of them. They don't raise any eyebrows and can do 99% of what and modern tactical folder can do.
 
I love slipjoints as much as all of you.
That's all I've been buying and carrying lately.
The beauty of a nicely colored and jigged bone handle.
The satisfying click when they open or close.
The choice of more than one blade pattern in the same knife.
All very positive aspects of the slipjoint.
But, when I really have work to do, there's nothing like having a one hand opener with clip
within immediate reach.
How great is it to be able to cut something within seconds, while holding the item with your other hand?
By the time it's cut, and the knife is put away, you haven't even gotten the slipjoint out of your pocket.
I'm not trying to start a traditional vs modern flame war here, just provoking thought on the subject.
Do any of you switch to one hand opening clipped knives when you're doing real work?
Lenny

Interesting post, and question.

In spite of being a die hard slip joint user, I actually have tried the one blade knives that can be opened with one hand. I had some surgery on a hand, and for a few weeks I had onehand wrapped up in enough gauze to make a real mummy. I would never have even tried one of them if I had not had my hand operated on, so I grant you I was not a fan to start off with. I ended up just carrying a fixed blade until I got use ofmy hand back.

After living a full life as a slip joint user, I can tell you that they are more suited for whatever you call 'real work' than the one hand wonder. I enlisted in the army not long after high school, and for ten years I was an army engineer. MOS 51B20. I served on construction sites all over the world, to include extending runways at the old Wheelus Air Force Base in Libya, and serving in the 39th Combat construction battalion in Vietnam. We built barracks, bridges, roads, school houses, and fire bases. We did lumber framework, laid concrete, and ran wiring. General construction. My main edc knife in those years was a Camillus TL-29, a SAK, and later a Buck 301 stockman. Most of my fellow engineers carried variations of slip joints, ranging from Case stockman, more TL-29's, the MLK knife which is the all stainless steel issue scout type knife. Late in the 1960's, the PX started selling the Buck knife, and a lot of them made it to the web gear of a lot of GI's. But for the most part, we engineers just used what our supply room handed out like lollypops, the TL-29. For those who don't know, the TL-29 is a medium slip joint jack with one spear point blade and a screw driver blade/tool. The army issed the same knife for 40 years. My Uncle Charlie carried a TL-29 from a certain beach in France in 1944, to the other side of the Rhine in 1945. When I showed him my TL-29 that I came home with, it was identical to his except his had wood scales and mine had plastic. I guess that was progress.

Those TL-29's did a huge amount of work on job sites, and I never saw one break. Nor do I ever recall a time someone couldn't open a knife because they were holding on to something, and that includes hanging on a ladder. I'm 71 years old this this year, and have been carrying a knife for about 60 of those years. I've been a 51B20 (Carpenter) and after 10 years in the army I was given a medical discharge because of injuries received on active duty. After my rehab at Walter Reed, I was put in an apprentice program for machinist. I was still carrying the Buck 301 I bought at an army PX. Until 2001 when I retired, I still used that Buck 301 then a 303 cadet in the shop. There were times I used all three of the blades for something. I had definite need of a sharp knife in the shop, as there was round stock to be cut free of the dirt and steel dust impregnated tape that held the bundles together. There was double sided tape to be trimmed and cut while affixing parallels in a vise on the mill table, or gasket material to cut and burrs to be trimmed off delrin and plastic patrts that had been drilled or milled. Hands were greasy and dirty most of the time, but it was never a problem pulling out a slip joint to cut something.

But I'll tell you what was a problem. Using a knife with one single blade, like most of the high tech folders, you very often were faced with cutting through some material that was going to take the edge right off your knife. Dirty, oily fiber gasket material, rubber sheet, dirty nylon fiber reenforced strapping tape holding round stock for the lathes, or peeling off tape from vise jaws and parallels. I tried to carry a single blade knife, and it was a huge failure. This, a 'real work' environment, is where the multi blade knife shines. With a three blade stockman, you could keep the main blade sharp, use the sheep foot blade for somethings, and the spey was your scraping and peeling blade for stripping wires when connecting something up. You had a versitility that no knife with a single blade can ever give you. Even a two blade knife, like a barlow or jack, gave you two different blades with two different type of edges on them. Also, having too long a blade was a problem for close work. Most one hand locking folders have too long a blade for close control in precise work.

If I am faced with 'real work' as you put it, I'm reaching for a knife with multiple blades on it. If I can have one of those blades be a tool, like on a TL-29 or scout knife, I'd be very happy. There's probably been more 'real work' done with a SAK than any one hand wonder knife designed to appeal to the Walter Mitty in us. Cool is good, if that's what you want. If you want a one hand opening knife just because that's what appeals to you, that's fine. That's the nice thing about being a grown up; we can drive whatever car we like, carry whatever knife we like. But making statements implying that for 'real work' you need a one hand opening knife, is just plain silly. Too many ranchers, farmers, soldiers, and workers in general have done too much 'real work' with stockmen, barrows, TL-29's, and SAK's for that statement to carry water. Carry what you like because you like it. But trying to justify it because it solves some non existent problem isn't the way to go. I've always thought that if I need a knife that I can get out easy, and with one hand, then I'll just use the original one hand knife; a fixed blade.

Carl.
 
Great post Carl, just read it out loud to the little ones after my wife asked me to read to them before bed. My daughter, who just turned 4 yesterday, said "cool knife story Dad."
 
Interesting post, and question.

In spite of being a die hard slip joint user, I actually have tried the one blade knives that can be opened with one hand. I had some surgery on a hand, and for a few weeks I had onehand wrapped up in enough gauze to make a real mummy. I would never have even tried one of them if I had not had my hand operated on, so I grant you I was not a fan to start off with. I ended up just carrying a fixed blade until I got use ofmy hand back.

After living a full life as a slip joint user, I can tell you that they are more suited for whatever you call 'real work' than the one hand wonder. I enlisted in the army not long after high school, and for ten years I was an army engineer. MOS 51B20. I served on construction sites all over the world, to include extending runways at the old Wheelus Air Force Base in Libya, and serving in the 39th Combat construction battalion in Vietnam. We built barracks, bridges, roads, school houses, and fire bases. We did lumber framework, laid concrete, and ran wiring. General construction. My main edc knife in those years was a Camillus TL-29, a SAK, and later a Buck 301 stockman. Most of my fellow engineers carried variations of slip joints, ranging from Case stockman, more TL-29's, the MLK knife which is the all stainless steel issue scout type knife. Late in the 1960's, the PX started selling the Buck knife, and a lot of them made it to the web gear of a lot of GI's. But for the most part, we engineers just used what our supply room handed out like lollypops, the TL-29. For those who don't know, the TL-29 is a medium slip joint jack with one spear point blade and a screw driver blade/tool. The army issed the same knife for 40 years. My Uncle Charlie carried a TL-29 from a certain beach in France in 1944, to the other side of the Rhine in 1945. When I showed him my TL-29 that I came home with, it was identical to his except his had wood scales and mine had plastic. I guess that was progress.

Those TL-29's did a huge amount of work on job sites, and I never saw one break. Nor do I ever recall a time someone couldn't open a knife because they were holding on to something, and that includes hanging on a ladder. I'm 71 years old this this year, and have been carrying a knife for about 60 of those years. I've been a 51B20 (Carpenter) and after 10 years in the army I was given a medical discharge because of injuries received on active duty. After my rehab at Walter Reed, I was put in an apprentice program for machinist. I was still carrying the Buck 301 I bought at an army PX. Until 2001 when I retired, I still used that Buck 301 then a 303 cadet in the shop. There were times I used all three of the blades for something. I had definite need of a sharp knife in the shop, as there was round stock to be cut free of the dirt and steel dust impregnated tape that held the bundles together. There was double sided tape to be trimmed and cut while affixing parallels in a vise on the mill table, or gasket material to cut and burrs to be trimmed off delrin and plastic patrts that had been drilled or milled. Hands were greasy and dirty most of the time, but it was never a problem pulling out a slip joint to cut something.

But I'll tell you what was a problem. Using a knife with one single blade, like most of the high tech folders, you very often were faced with cutting through some material that was going to take the edge right off your knife. Dirty, oily fiber gasket material, rubber sheet, dirty nylon fiber reenforced strapping tape holding round stock for the lathes, or peeling off tape from vise jaws and parallels. I tried to carry a single blade knife, and it was a huge failure. This, a 'real work' environment, is where the multi blade knife shines. With a three blade stockman, you could keep the main blade sharp, use the sheep foot blade for somethings, and the spey was your scraping and peeling blade for stripping wires when connecting something up. You had a versitility that no knife with a single blade can ever give you. Even a two blade knife, like a barlow or jack, gave you two different blades with two different type of edges on them. Also, having too long a blade was a problem for close work. Most one hand locking folders have too long a blade for close control in precise work.

If I am faced with 'real work' as you put it, I'm reaching for a knife with multiple blades on it. If I can have one of those blades be a tool, like on a TL-29 or scout knife, I'd be very happy. There's probably been more 'real work' done with a SAK than any one hand wonder knife designed to appeal to the Walter Mitty in us. Cool is good, if that's what you want. If you want a one hand opening knife just because that's what appeals to you, that's fine. That's the nice thing about being a grown up; we can drive whatever car we like, carry whatever knife we like. But making statements implying that for 'real work' you need a one hand opening knife, is just plain silly. Too many ranchers, farmers, soldiers, and workers in general have done too much 'real work' with stockmen, barrows, TL-29's, and SAK's for that statement to carry water. Carry what you like because you like it. But trying to justify it because it solves some non existent problem isn't the way to go. I've always thought that if I need a knife that I can get out easy, and with one hand, then I'll just use the original one hand knife; a fixed blade.

Carl.

I dont disagree with you at all, great post!

I am just surprised you didnt get more (any really) response considering the sub-forum this is in :D
 
Nor do I ever recall a time someone couldn't open a knife because they were holding on to something, and that includes hanging on a ladder.
Different jobs have different requirements. I imagine it would be very easy to open a two-handed knife while standing on a ladder, because you can wrap your arms in and around the ladder to hold yourself on and have both your hands and all ten fingers free. But sometimes people are performing tasks that require the use of a hand and or fingers, it's a bit more difficult to open a two-handed folder when you only have one free hand and you can't drop or let go of what you're holding onto. Also, if you are wearing heavy work gloves and you need at least one hand gloved in order to perform your task, not having to drop everything AND take off your gloves to open a knife really makes life easier. With my folder clipped onto my pocket, and with the thumb stud, I can draw my knife, open it, cut, close, and put the knife back in my pocket without ever having to remove my gloves.

But I'll tell you what was a problem. Using a knife with one single blade, like most of the high tech folders, you very often were faced with cutting through some material that was going to take the edge right off your knife. Dirty, oily fiber gasket material, rubber sheet, dirty nylon fiber reenforced strapping tape holding round stock for the lathes, or peeling off tape from vise jaws and parallels. I tried to carry a single blade knife, and it was a huge failure. This, a 'real work' environment, is where the multi blade knife shines. With a three blade stockman, you could keep the main blade sharp, use the sheep foot blade for somethings, and the spey was your scraping and peeling blade for stripping wires when connecting something up. You had a versitility that no knife with a single blade can ever give you. Even a two blade knife, like a barlow or jack, gave you two different blades with two different type of edges on them. Also, having too long a blade was a problem for close work. Most one hand locking folders have too long a blade for close control in precise work.
I would imagine that most people choose their work knives based on what they specifically need a knife for. If a person needs different types of blades for cutting different types of materials, then it makes sense to choose a knife with different types of blades. Many people however are served just fine by one type of blade. I wouldn't assume that a person is ill-prepared simply because they carry just one type of blade, maybe that's all they need.

If I am faced with 'real work' as you put it, I'm reaching for a knife with multiple blades on it. If I can have one of those blades be a tool, like on a TL-29 or scout knife, I'd be very happy. There's probably been more 'real work' done with a SAK than any one hand wonder knife designed to appeal to the Walter Mitty in us. Cool is good, if that's what you want. If you want a one hand opening knife just because that's what appeals to you, that's fine. That's the nice thing about being a grown up; we can drive whatever car we like, carry whatever knife we like. But making statements implying that for 'real work' you need a one hand opening knife, is just plain silly. Too many ranchers, farmers, soldiers, and workers in general have done too much 'real work' with stockmen, barrows, TL-29's, and SAK's for that statement to carry water. Carry what you like because you like it. But trying to justify it because it solves some non existent problem isn't the way to go. I've always thought that if I need a knife that I can get out easy, and with one hand, then I'll just use the original one hand knife; a fixed blade.
Maybe I'm wrong but in your post it sounds like you're implying that people who do "real work" use multi-bladed knives and that people who choose a modern one-handed, single-bladed "wonder knife" are only doing so because we think they are "cool" or just because we like them. Like I said before, some people carry one-bladed knives because that's all they need. Who is Walter Mitty? Isn't that a guy who fantasized about being more than he was? Is that what you think of people who choose modern single-bladed one-hand opening knives? Personally, my choice of knives has nothing to do with fantasy.

By the way, I've always liked those TL-29's. I've got a couple with the black plastic handles and still use them despite all my one-handed modern folders.
 
most of the clipit one-handers in super steels will never have to whittle hard wood on a daily basis, or be used for opening boxes ten hours a day. they're either too fragile or too expensive. that's being honest with myself.

my idea of a real hard-use folder is a stainless blade at least 4mm thick with a tough scandi grind, stainless steel liners at least 1mm thick, with thick metal bolsters for added stability, a pivot pin twice as thick as what we see right now, and any scale that's not flammable, or can be corroded, or will gas out in a few years time.

i'm not choosy with locks anymore. a thick liner that falls into a recess in the tang (instead of a concaved surface,) or an integral with a reinforced lockbar, or even a simple spine lock with a prominent locking nub will do.

and while we don't have the above knife costing less than $70, my hard users will still be my case cv stockman and buck 301 stockman with 420hc.
 
I love my slip joints, but when I was sent from the office, back out to the field to work, my Delica was with me daily. I understands folks being stuck in their ways, but theres no way to deny that a pocket clip and thumb stud make a knife a more useful and convenient working tool. That's not that it can't be done with a slip joint though.
 
Thousands of jobs have been completed with a standard screw driver... Yet I'll still reach for my ratcheting screw-driver before anything else. If a tool lets you get the job done easier, faster, then why not use it?
 
Or...You can have a couple real durabel one handers for different tasks and you don't have ot let go f that damn wire that was hel to get a hold of and will spring back while you're closing one blade and opening another...

I do tons of real work and often need to be able to open my knife one handed and close it the same way. ... and yes probably 3 out of 5 times a slip joint woudl and does work, but the other two times it sure is nice to have the extra convenience.

And sometimes a fixed blade is inconvenient... I carry and use slip joints, one handed openers and *gasp* fixed blades as convenient and suitable... The real joy of folders is that they are on you always, and you have them when you need them. I have no specific bias and I think all of them are useful intheir palce. to imply any of them are inferior is BS and "instigating".

As another poster said, just because the old tool did the job, doesn't mean the new one is less useful... Millions of screws have been driven with a plain standard screw driver, that doesn't make my cordless power driver less useful or effective. I'm sure glad I didn't have to screw the steel roofing on my house with a hand driver. :) That said there are times when I woudl rather use the regular screw driver, such as mkaing sure I'm not cross threading into plastic or stripping a fine screw in a computer.

You are eintitled to your opinion but please don't suggest that what you did 40 years ago in the army has any bearing on the only "real way" to "real work"...


Interesting post, and question.

In spite of being a die hard slip joint user, I actually have tried the one blade knives that can be opened with one hand. I had some surgery on a hand, and for a few weeks I had onehand wrapped up in enough gauze to make a real mummy. I would never have even tried one of them if I had not had my hand operated on, so I grant you I was not a fan to start off with. I ended up just carrying a fixed blade until I got use ofmy hand back.

After living a full life as a slip joint user, I can tell you that they are more suited for whatever you call 'real work' than the one hand wonder. I... ...cut bunch o luddite crap.....

There's probably been more 'real work' done with a SAK than any one hand wonder knife designed to appeal to the Walter Mitty in us. Cool is good, if that's what you want. If you want a one hand opening knife just because that's what appeals to you, that's fine. That's the nice thing about being a grown up; we can drive whatever car we like, carry whatever knife we like.

But making statements implying that for 'real work' you need a one hand opening knife, is just plain silly. ***No more silly than imply the revers like you are... and that one hand openiners are some how "iinferior"....*** Too many ranchers, farmers, soldiers, and workers in general have done too much 'real work' with stockmen, barrows, TL-29's, and SAK's for that statement to carry water. Carry what you like because you like it. But trying to justify it because it solves some non existent problem isn't the way to go. I've always thought that if I need a knife that I can get out easy, and with one hand, then I'll just use the original one hand knife; a fixed blade.

Carl.
 
I often wonder what those old farmers, ranchers, ect. would have carried if they had the options we have today. I mean, to these types of people, a knife was a tool to help make a living, and they were using the most modern version available to them at that time. I'd bet that quite a few would have found it useful to open their knives with one hand.
 
I often wonder what those old farmers, ranchers, ect. would have carried if they had the options we have today. I mean, to these types of people, a knife was a tool to help make a living, and they were using the most modern version available to them at that time. I'd bet that quite a few would have found it useful to open their knives with one hand.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. Plus if I'm not mistaken, there are a few slip-joint patterns that have "easy open" features for one-handed opening, and I believe I remember seeing little after-market clips one could attach to their blade to give it one-handed opening capability.
 
To me using a slip joint over a one hand folder is like using a screw driver over a screw gun. I prefer the tool that gets the job done faster.
 
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