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Let's bitch about (finger) cuts for a minute..

Sunday I was cutting up some g10 on the dewalt portaband when I noticed the blade started tracking back and forth a bit, luckily I noticed it and moved where my left hand was. Just a second later the blade snapped and whipped itself into that very spot. Never had a blade snap on that thing before, and I'm used to enclosed blade designs on bigger saws so needless to say I puckered up pretty fast when that thing started bouncing. Be safe out there guys.

P.s. I have definitely put my thumb into a bandsaw blade before... Not fun, hurts like hell!

Justin
 
I didn't even read this entire thread, but I read numerous places about using hydrogen peroxide.
I will say this so as not to sound like someone who just recently arrived at some ill-conclusion - I built custom homes for 25 years. We always had the saying that if you didn't leave blood on the floor by the end of the day, then you didn't do your job.
The amount of wounds I've had on the job site, and then another 18 years now in the knife shop are countless.
Throw the hydrogen peroxide away.
It kills EVERYTHING!! Not only potential infectious organisms, but also the surrounding tissue and your own cleansing and healing properties.
This is directly from the Mayo Clinic:

Clean the wound. Use clear water to rinse the wound. Also clean around the wound with soap and a washcloth. Keep soap out of the wound, as it can cause irritation. If dirt or debris remains in the wound after washing, use tweezers cleaned with alcohol to remove the particles. If debris still remains, see your doctor. Thorough cleaning reduces the risk of infection and tetanus. There's no need to use hydrogen peroxide, iodine or an iodine-containing cleanser, which can be irritating to tissue already injured.
Apply an antibiotic. Apply a thin layer of an antibiotic cream or ointment (Neosporin, Polysporin) to help keep the surface moist. These products don't make the wound heal faster. But they can discourage infection and help the body's natural healing process. Certain ingredients in some ointments can cause a mild rash in some people. If a rash appears, stop using the ointment.

And I've proved they are right.
When I get a cut, I simply stop immediately. It doesn't even have to be a large cut. You all know how irritating even a tiny wound can be when it's in just the wrong place!
I do a quick rinse to remove any debris, put on a small amount of antibiotic cream and cover with an appropriate sized dressing.
Go back to work.
Amazing how fast the body will heal.

For years I always had a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in my work truck. I would always use it to rinse out cuts and wounds. Not knowing that I was ruining my body's ability to heal itself.
Wounds seemed like they would never heal.

After I quit using peroxide and simply kept the wound clean - things healed almost overnight.

Try it.

But I will use super glue on those tough wounds when it's getting to be crunch time before a knife show and I need to keep on working. :rolleyes:
 
Karl,

Thanks for mentioning that about the Peroxide, I don't remember anyone saying to use it in this thread but you are 100% correct that its counter productive.
 
I like to smear some honey on smaller wounds before covering them with a band-aid or bandage. After cleaning the wound of course.
Works really well because honey actually kills bacteria :thumbup:
 
Good one Karl, I agree 100%.
Another myth I've heard since I was little is let it breathe, airing the wound helps. Cacapoo! Keep it 100% covered with antibiotic cream like you said and a good dressing, changing it from time to time. Heals so much faster.
 
h20oni said:
Hey guys, a quick word on quick-clot and other such products. Don't use any of the powders. They can lead to massive tissue loss if the powder gets into the wound and is moved further into the body by the blood stream. Bad juju. Most of, if not all of the loose powder should be offs the shelf by now, if you still have that stuff in your "oh sh!t kits" ditch it today. Get some of the impregnated gauze or sponges instead. In truth there is very little bleeding out there that cannot be stopped by sustained direct pressure, and if it can't, it needs stitches. Just my professional opinion. Im not an ER doc or anything, but I am an EMT, so it does count for something...
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I just spoke with a Dr. of mine who is a wound care specialist and he said these kinds of bleed stop powders and sponges etc are a caustic chemical and that I being a type one Diabetic should pass on these and use pressure, Clean water and soap around the wound like as been suggested here along with a Antibiotic cream and a bandage. He said I have access to better health care where I live so I may pack some WoundSeal along if I am headed to the boonies. He also said he wouldn't use them unless he had no choice.

Just thought I would share this opinion from a professional.
 
When I was much younger, I was at a knife show with my grandfather, who had a couple tables of his merchandise for sale. 1 item he had was a razor blade sharpener. You turned a small crank, and a round stone turned underneath, while holding a disposable razor blade at an angle against the stone, then after a few seconds flipped the blade over to sharpen the other side. I was amazed by this little device, and in the process of sharpening the razor blade, and trying to figure out how the device worked, I think I put a nice slice into every one of my 10 fingers, and probably a few more in my palms. I remember my grandfather trying to hide a smile as I knicked myself over and over again over a 3 day weekend.
 
C_becker, it's true honey is an antibiotic! I recently went to a sea turtle sanctuary on Jekyll island in GA, and they use honey to pack sea turtle wounds caused by propeller strikes! Super cool stuff!

Rhino, good info! I hadn't heard that diabetes is a counter indication for quick clot before...
Let's be clear about quick clot and the like... these products aren't for "dang that's a bad cut" they are for "HOLY CRAP MY BUFFER JUST STUFFED A 12" X 2" CHUNK OF STEEL THROUGH MY GUTS !!!" direct pressure and stitches are the way to go for most cuts...
 
Karl B. Andersen said:
Right in the opening comment and in post #13.
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Found that info out when I turned my skin inside out in a motorcycle accident. Had time to do some reading and found out after the hospital I went to suggested peroxide every time I changed bandages. Also found out what that clear liquid that comes out was, too:D. Keep the fibroblasts alive!!

I ended up switching to saline solution to clean and covered it with the silvadene burn cream they prescribed and it healed up much faster than I could have imagined. If silver works that well, what would gold or platinum cream do to the body?:p

Justin
 
h20oni said:
C_becker, it's true honey is an antibiotic! I recently went to a sea turtle sanctuary on Jekyll island in GA, and they use honey to pack sea turtle wounds caused by propeller strikes! Super cool stuff!
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I have heard this before but am confused because I was under the impression that honey contained bacteria which is the reason one should not give it to infants?

h20oni said:
Rhino, good info! I hadn't heard that diabetes is a counter indication for quick clot before...
Let's be clear about quick clot and the like... these products aren't for "dang that's a bad cut" they are for "HOLY CRAP MY BUFFER JUST STUFFED A 12" X 2" CHUNK OF STEEL THROUGH MY GUTS !!!" direct pressure and stitches are the way to go for most cuts...
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I'm glad you emphasized this point. I may have been talking about oranges while the OP was talking about apples.
 
Perrin said:
I have heard this before but am confused because I was under the impression that honey contained bacteria which is the reason one should not give it to infants?
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Honey works as an antibacterial, by being a strong sugar paste
Most bacteria won't survive because it dries the water out of the cell

Packing in sugar or salt, same thing
It's why any food you preserve by canning is either strongly sweet or salty too



http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/botulism.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism

This bacteria can live as spores, which are more rugged.
Also it's why the washing part of wound care is important.

Probably most honey you would buy is pasteurised, but it's easy to just keep it away from infants for the first year.
 
Thanks Count, that makes sense. Ironically of the 4-5 jars of honey currently at my house, all are non-pasteurized local honey. But my kids aren't infants nor do I plan to smear any in a cut anytime soon. I just use it for tea and allergies. Besides in KY we just take a swig of bourbon and spit it on the cut then wrap a tobacco leaf around it to heal. (Ha ha, not really, that would be waste of good bourbon.)
 
J.Babody said:
Found that info out when I turned my skin inside out in a motorcycle accident. Had time to do some reading and found out after the hospital I went to suggested peroxide every time I changed bandages. Also found out what that clear liquid that comes out was, too:D. Keep the fibroblasts alive!!

I ended up switching to saline solution to clean and covered it with the silvadene burn cream they prescribed and it healed up much faster than I could have imagined. If silver works that well, what would gold or platinum cream do to the body?:p

Justin
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Yeah the Peroxide And Iodine days are long gone. I use a silver cream instead of Antibiotic ointments. 1% Silver Sulfadiazine cream. I think its prescription only? Great stuff!
 
12345678910 said:
Honey works as an antibacterial,

Packing in sugar or salt, same thing
It's why any food you preserve by canning is either strongly sweet or salty too
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Yes,
That's the reason Sugar was so sought after. Your could preserve fruit and meats with it.
 
honey could contain clostridia...that's why you are not supposed to feed honey to babies until they have developed immunitary defences.
Antibiotics must be used with care, not only one-shot and forget, in order not to develope resistant bacteria...in some cases they are a great defence.
Peroxyde is still the safer way not to get complicances due to its through action on multiple levels...when wounded the right way is not to heal faster, it is to heal safer.
The healing ability is not in the wounded tissues, they are already busted, it is in the blood.
Of course i'm talking about simple cuts and abrasions one is able to manage, not the ones that requires immediate run to the ER; those deep wounds through muscles are better not to be flooded with peroxyde for the reasons explained by Karl, and have to be washed as he said, if there is time.
Anyway, the best thing to do is asking your own doctor what to do, just in case, and being equipped with what he/she has told you ;)
 
Honey has been used very successfully for thousands of years. However the medical profession refused to accept it as the exact mechanism had not been found . Well finally in 2013 the exact mechanism HAS been found .So feel free to use it as I have for a long time. Speeds healing ,has anti-bacterial properties, presents a clean wound so replacing the dressing is without tearing open the wound .
 
Using honey is something I learned from my grandma. Sometimes "old knowledge" works rather well :)
But yeah, you need to use the "good" honey, the pasteurising kills all the good stuff in cheaper honey.
 
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