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kamakiri.knives said:
Nice trio! Off the cuff, the middle one looks like it’s later. Clip points were used on main line 84mm into the ‘76-‘77 range. If it has either a blank rear tang or Officier Suisse crossbow, then it‘s actually ’73+. The one on the right looks like it’s from right around ‘78. A ground tip on the awl would confirm.
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The one on the right does have a ground tip! Thanks for the info. 👍 I was dating them using tool descriptions I found on line. That obviously left room for improvement. lol
I have always heard/read that the clip secondary indicated pre ‘73. I have noticed that dating them as I have been things sometimes didn’t make sense. Makes me think you’re probably right. 👍
Can you recommend a source for this info?
 
Grateful said:
The one on the right does have a ground tip! Thanks for the info. 👍 I was dating them using tool descriptions I found on line. That obviously left room for improvement. lol
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One of the issues is that many good resources don’t get updated as information is added and improved. Collaborative ones like SAKWiki have the problem of consensus (and sometimes permission) needed to get anything done. And there’s tons of stuff to fix there…especially for anything before say 1990.

Grateful said:
I have always heard/read that the clip secondary indicated pre ‘73.
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That’s ‘correct’ for 91mm, but only in a general sense. “Pre-‘73” is still a misnomer because main line 91mm clips went well into 1973. The exceptions after that are rare for 91mm, but they exist and I have proof. Even then, I had trouble convincing other ‘experts’.

The other problem is separating what is true for 91mm vs. 84mm. Most just accept that if it’s true for 91mm, then it is for 84mm too.

Grateful said:
I have noticed that dating them as I have been things sometimes didn’t make sense. Makes me think you’re probably right. 👍
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. 👍 😁 It’s those inconsistencies that really get to me. Lol.

In my chronology, anything that pops up with inconsistencies gets a big question mark on it and basically gets thrown out. Assume it’s wrong until proven otherwise.

Using exposed rivets as an example, people have incorrectly used the introduction of hidden rivet scales in 1957 (true AFAIK) to also be the end date of exposed rivets for cellidor scales. Not true. The end dates are all over the place depending on the frame size.

Grateful said:
Can you recommend a source for this info?
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I’m hoping to do something permanent here at bladeforums. Before I do that, I’ve been planning to start a thread here for people to ask the date of their Victorinox knives. Although I should probably do something to explain at least in part, some of my methods in determining exactly when a knife was built.
 
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Modded he last Cadet X/Alox Tinker a bit more:

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ErikMB said:
What is that hook meant for? And the bump at the top of the hook?

Gorgeous knife, of course.
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Thanks!

The bump is stock and is the nail nick to deploy the hook.

According to Victorinox it was originally to carry packages wrapped in twine. I used it in this 84mm mod mostly because this version of 91mm scissor is plentiful…and many think it couldn’t be adopted into the 84mm frame.

The mod to it is the file surface cut into the inside edge. Otherwise, the hook is as manufactured.
 
kamakiri.knives said:
Although I should probably do something to explain at least in part, some of my methods in determining exactly when a knife was built.
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Thanks for your interesting reply, Im definitely interested in hearing more about your methods for dating these older sak’s. Ive been a fan for years but only recently started digging into the history of them.
 
Grateful said:
Thanks for your interesting reply, Im definitely interested in hearing more about your methods for dating these older sak’s. Ive been a fan for years but only recently started digging into the history of them.
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Are there any particular things (time periods or models or?) that you’re interested in? Lots of stuff to cover in no particular order.

There’s a bunch to cover in the methodology…at the root of it is putting things in the right order and placing all the changes to the right time. Sounds simple, but it took me a while to get there for even just the ‘70s.
 
Grateful said:
At this point in my collecting / hoarding I’m mostly interested in the 84mm saks.
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Good news is that’s how I feel about 84mm in general…

Bad news is that I have far fewer 84mm examples regarding chronology. Some very, very useful ones that are factory dated with inlays or engraving, but less data because fewer knives and far fewer tools / layers. Maximum of 5 tool layers per knife makes it tough and relatively expensive compared to 91mm.
 
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