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Let's see your Scout/Camp knives

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by pistonsandgears, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
    Great collection Andre, thanks for posting :):thumbsup:
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  2. Buzzbait

    Buzzbait Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 25, 2001

    That's a wonderful collection you have. How are the quality of those Challenges? I've seen a few available, but have never pulled the trigger.

    I have one of those same crazy Craftsmans with the pocket clip thingy as well. Unfortunately, mine is in terrible condition. Every single one of the tools has inexplicably lost spring tension.

    Your Kabar 1152 always rates high on my list. Camillus did a really great job on them, and they're actually based on the same pattern as the Camillus army engineer knife I've been carrying this year. That #14 pattern has a ton of history.

    I love your Boker. I have one as well, it's one of my favorite scouts. Boker USA did an amazing job on that model. Everything about it shows careful design details and good quality manufacturing. It's one of the most useful scouts, IMHO.
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  3. AndreLinoge


    Nov 20, 2014
    The Challenge Cutlery scouts are pretty tough, but I have 2 stainless ones with broken springs. Maybe something to do with early stainless not liking to be made into springs, perhaps. Otherwise, they're thick and heavy in the tools' spines, and the cams are always smooth and even, if a little heavy on the pulls for the tools.
    I just learned that they were stainless for sure when I finally got that nice one in the pic by itself, I was sharpening it and faintly caught the remnant of "STAINLESS" etched into the main. All at once the broken springs made a whole lot more sense, and the great condition of the wells was given a reason as well. I just couldn't figure how they'd been carried that long without a single bit of patina or pitting on the springs or secondaries, but the short pull samples showed such in accordance with their age.. makes sense now.
    The one with the corn cob jigging is a splendid sample of old school work, even though it looks repaired, or someone at least took the bail off and ground the pin back smooth.. I still like it. Perfect covers.

    The craftsman came to me with a totally squished bail. The ebay listing said "home made bail", it was that twisted. I had no clue what it was supposed to be till I saw that style of bail in a pic on here. Then out came the pliers and it's back to almost new. I wonder why that wasnt a more popular thing, I think its great. I like the Western approach, too; the belt loop thing with the clip was a great inclusion to the package, but the bent bail really struck me as cool.
    I have a pair of the really old school 'thin' frame scouts, a Utica and a Seneca with black composite handles and the axe blade/oar whittler style can opener but they didnt get fished out for pics, they're actually dwelling in active camp tool pools right now. I also neglected my Old Timer/Ulster, come to think of it. How terrible.

    Always next time I suppose..

    I reckon I should tell Glennbad that I FINALLY found a donor spring for my busted Challenge - 3 years after I started on wanting to fix that first one... Lol..
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  4. jsdistin

    jsdistin KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 27, 2016
    Thanks for the answers guys and the cool patent pics. Thanks for the warning as well, I would not have know those were a problem before.
  5. Bloefield


    Aug 2, 2013
    An Ulster and a Camillus Scout.
  6. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
    This Kingston I got this week is in great shape and has one of the sharpest edges I've seen on a scout... razor edge! :eek:

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  7. ISKRA


    Sep 19, 2016
    Nice Kingston! :thumbsup:
    I haven't seen one with this sort of can opener before, is it from later in the war? Mine also has those huge pins as they sometimes do ...

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  8. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Interesting the Challenge Scouts to have come up in conversation.

    The Challenge Knives are extremely well built, the quality is right up there with the Older New York Knives, also there was a HJ that I picked up recently that was definitely Challenge blood lines- but sported an Empire Punch - I am 100% sure that it was a contract Knife by Empire for Challenge - when comparing the HJ to other Challenge Jacks- it made one wonder if Empire had their hand in those as well, when looking at my old Challenge Scout- the remarkable build of the Knife is so good that its hard to differentiate between Empire, New York etc.... so when comparing to such elite Cutler names I feel the quality of the Challenge Scout is fantastic!
  9. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Looks like we need more Challenge Scouts in this thread!:)
    This one has bone handles that look like NYK, and the quality is decent. I am pretty sure it was made after WWI, and before WWII.
    It was etched for the Swedish - American Steel Corp. for a premium, give-away or an award maybe.
    Challenge A.jpg Challenge B.jpg Challenge C.jpg

    If it was made by NYK, I wonder if they made older ones with the "roll-over" type punch that NYK was famous for???? :rolleyes:
  10. Rusty1

    Rusty1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    Stumped from Easton writes, There seem to be several types of can opener, which I thought you could look at and work out age and first use of. I always thought that the earlier type of can opener was probably what I think Charlie referees to, as the “roll over type” looks like a very small spear blade with thumb stud. Then there is what I refer to as the open mouth style with thumb stud ISKRA mentioned above. Following up with the last type pattern made, the one with the hawkbill shaped piercing blade. Always wanted to know as I have an old NYK scout/utility with the second can opener described and a Schrade Cut Co scout with the roll over type can opener, which to me then throws my theory way out.

  11. Rusty1

    Rusty1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    By the way Kevin, Very good find on that Kingston! Fantastic condition.

    Charlie, love that old Challenge and the blade etch to boot.

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  12. afishhunter


    Oct 21, 2014
    The Schrade Cut Co is older than you thought?
    I thought the evolution of the can opener blade was in the same order, too.
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  13. wazu013

    wazu013 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 14, 2011
    I just went and dug it out. It's not bone!!
    Sorry about that. :oops:
  14. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Here is an Empire Scout to compare to the Challenge.
    Empire Pearl 3.jpg Empire Pearl 4.jpg
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  15. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Russell, I was referring to NYK's rollover punch, as seen on this HJ!!
    NY HJ M1.jpg
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  16. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Oh Charlie - Awesome - that HJ is to die for!
    Those Scouts are simply Gorgeous! So looking at the Punches- again its a strong pull toward Empire Manufacture?
    Heres my Challenge, and Charlie I know what you mean- the Bone- whew!!! The Challenge Scout could sit among New York Scouts and it would blend in so nicely- I find that the Challenge Scouts- their beautiful Handles are very round Convex-wise.

    What I love about this Challenge is the Dynamic Deep Blade Etch, and also a bit of provenance - the Top bolster is beautifully engraved with name and address- and obviously very old - that engraving was an art in those days..
  17. Rusty1

    Rusty1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    Oops, reading between the lines again Charlie.

    Nice pocket worn bone on your Challenge Duncan.

  18. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    I don't know Duncan! The secondary blades aren't quite the same. I'll find some time to do some more CE-ing and CF-ing!!
  19. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
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  20. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Thanks, Kevin!! It took me a number of years to find that nice one. I have owned three others in between, which had worn blades, cracked pearl, etc. etc.
    Not too many Pearl Scouts around!!
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